Waco 2.0 -- IRS brings in the swat team
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Not gonna happen. They already said they're not going to raid the house, they're just sort of bemusedly waiting for these kooks to give up or die of old age.
The only raid they served was to seize the dental office. It's not like these two are a couple of oppressed people...they deliberately defrauded the government with a tax-evading money order scheme. Can't do the time, don't try the crime. Oh, and he did threaten to kill law enforcement officers, so he's guilty of that, too. The guy's a nut. He answers the phone saying that the person named that is dead and he's a representative of the lord.
He also had the chance to defend himself in court before a warrant for arrest was even issued, but he chose instead to hole up in his compound and make threats.
This has been going on for over a year here. No big deal, nothing to see.
And please, read the actual news story from a source like the New Hampshire Union Leader, not the tinfoil hat sites.
Uh....no. Yes, they cut off their services, because they're fugitives under arrest. There was a group of marshals and some local police there to serve the warrant on the dental office. It and its contents were seized towards their outstanding debt from their tax fraud scheme. Some of the cops were in body armor and there was an armored van there because they weren't sure if the guy was going to come out and shoot at them, since he'd threatened to kill cops. Combat robots? HA!!!!!
As I said...please read the actual news sources, not the kool-aid hysterics conspiracy ones.
The only raid they served was to seize the dental office. It's not like these two are a couple of oppressed people...they deliberately defrauded the government with a tax-evading money order scheme. Can't do the time, don't try the crime. Oh, and he did threaten to kill law enforcement officers, so he's guilty of that, too. The guy's a nut. He answers the phone saying that the person named that is dead and he's a representative of the lord.
He also had the chance to defend himself in court before a warrant for arrest was even issued, but he chose instead to hole up in his compound and make threats. This has been going on for over a year here. No big deal, nothing to see.
And please, read the actual news story from a source like the New Hampshire Union Leader, not the tinfoil hat sites.
Uh....no. Yes, they cut off their services, because they're fugitives under arrest. There was a group of marshals and some local police there to serve the warrant on the dental office. It and its contents were seized towards their outstanding debt from their tax fraud scheme. Some of the cops were in body armor and there was an armored van there because they weren't sure if the guy was going to come out and shoot at them, since he'd threatened to kill cops. Combat robots? HA!!!!! As I said...please read the actual news sources, not the kool-aid hysterics conspiracy ones.
applesanity
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Sounds more like Caribou Ridge on Ruby Creek to me. Remember how the lawmen were taunting the Weaver family after that sniper, Lon Horiuchi, blew off Vicki Weaver's head?
[COUGH]On a more serious note, I think John Q. Law has a bit more PR-aftermath experience than 16 years ago. So this situation will likely end in a peaceful resolution[/COUGH]
I myself have no love for crazy religious nutjobs or white supremacists. But they're still human beings. And you don't shoot a defenseless woman in the face while she's holding her baby.
"But I was aiming for that guy over there!"
Rule #4, you a$$hat.
[EDIT] Hah, speak of the devil
Couple Holed Up in House Over Tax Dispute
[COUGH]On a more serious note, I think John Q. Law has a bit more PR-aftermath experience than 16 years ago. So this situation will likely end in a peaceful resolution[/COUGH]
I myself have no love for crazy religious nutjobs or white supremacists. But they're still human beings. And you don't shoot a defenseless woman in the face while she's holding her baby.
"But I was aiming for that guy over there!"
Rule #4, you a$$hat.
[EDIT] Hah, speak of the devil
Couple Holed Up in House Over Tax Dispute
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applesanity
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You're kidding, right? Next, you'll mention the brown's refusal to obey the courts' orders - because they're controlled by.... (gasp!) Freemasons! (as quoted from ABC article).
Let's keep the discussion on how the lawmen will or should handle this, and not about tax code.
...ok, and let's go ahead and ignore the fact that these people are trying to make a valid point. they are truly trying to point out that there is NO LAW requiring them to pay the I.R.S.
notice they are referred to as "tax protesters" a clear indication that whoever wrote this article understands the real situation here. that's a pretty valid point to bring up - why are "lawmen" involved if a law has not been broken? please keep in mind that these people are fellow Americans and have no criminal past. if they don't raid their house then good, because if they do and they hurt these innocent people then real Americans need to stand up and speak out.
"kool-aid hysterics"? wait, you mean the freedom loving Americans who understand that there is no valid law that requires these people to pay the federal cash cow? seriously - before you start judging groups of people, why not post the law they are breaking so that we can all put our "conspiracy" to rest?
i agree Eghad, that would be the proper way to do this.
but until they turn themselves in there are MANY Americans standing behind these people. they have already offered to turn themselves in once a valid law violation is presented to them - but that hasn't happened yet. until then they are in my prayers. the government needs to step back and realize that these people are NOT criminals.
there are criminal illegal aliens running around that have evaded COUNTLESS AMOUNTS of tax dollars. why are they picking on the American citizens? there certainly are bigger fish to fry... but i guess this is the new "America" that we live in...
but until they turn themselves in there are MANY Americans standing behind these people. they have already offered to turn themselves in once a valid law violation is presented to them - but that hasn't happened yet. until then they are in my prayers. the government needs to step back and realize that these people are NOT criminals.
there are criminal illegal aliens running around that have evaded COUNTLESS AMOUNTS of tax dollars. why are they picking on the American citizens? there certainly are bigger fish to fry... but i guess this is the new "America" that we live in...
Wildalaska
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Nothing but a pair of looney lawbreakers who spout bs priciples based on looneyness and dont even have the cojones to take their punishment....
Bust in there and lock em up.
WA
Bust in there and lock em up.
WA
applesanity
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If if was something as simple as refusing to pay your taxes for whatever reason (wholly understandable - I hate paying taxes too), then they would have probably hired a lawyer, gone to court, and argued their case. Like sane people. However, they won't go to court - or obey the court's orders - because...
If you're going to argue tax code, you might as well weigh in on the mason bit as well. Or realize that these people are just messed up. Like I said earlier - I feel terrible for what happened to Randy Weaver and his family, but that doesn't mean I like him for being a white supremacist. The Feds may - or will - be going overboard on this case, but that doesn't mean that the beliefs that the Browns hold are any more valid.
That's +1 on the ad hom strikes. Keep 'em coming.
… because they don’t want to go to federal prison for breaking a law that doesn't exist...
can you blame them?
I don’t recall ever saying that - this has nothing to do with freemasonry.
You don’t understand – if they went to court like “sane people” then how much media would be covering it?
AGAIN – these people are tax PROTESTERS – they need the media attention and they need to stick to their guns if they want to make a point. They are trying to make the point that there is NO LAW requiring any of us to pay federal taxes! They are protesters!
What’s wrong with embracing our rights??
Since when did THAT become un American? Geez man… and what is “ad hom”?
Many Americans? Only the sort that look like this:
And please READ THE NEWS. They deliberately pulled an evasion scam, manipulating postal money orders. They knew what they were doing.
Oh, and how does that whole "threatening to kill law enforcement officers" that Ed Brown did fit in with the protesting?
applesanity
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I suppose some of us are unfamiliar with that pesky 16th amendment:
Thanks for playing.
To quote myself:
Thanks for playing.
To quote myself:
Wildalaska
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I dont need to say, it court already has, and next you will tell me the earth is flat and the Masons control the universe.....
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DonR101395
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They did itapplesanity
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Given the assumed demographics of forum members, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are quite a few Masons here. So what. I know, I know: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't watching you. But it doesn't mean that you're right, either.
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