W.R. tests Glockmeister's Competition trigger system

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to Sgt gunner

junk is positive. I find it difficult to take any comparison or feild test you would ever do on a glock to be objective, or unbiased.
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I quote my own quote:

Also any one who has read my posts in their entirety would be aware that even when it comes to plastic pistols I have reported the positive points about them, for example the reliablity, accuracy and good trigger pull of the Walther P99
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If the above is not a positive post on a plastic pistol I do not know what is. If in turn I find nothing positive about the Glock then I will not post it. I do have a right to my own personal opinion.

If you do not believe any of my post on my trigger evaluation then buy one and install it in your Glock and then compare it to say a tuned 1911 competition trigger package. Any one that does so will see the imediate difference between the two systems in pull weight which can be verified with a trigger pull gauge. Sear break away and creep can also be determined by simply dry firing the weapon. W.R.
 
ok how can you ever compare a "tuned" single action to a box stock non single action.......a little like apples to oranges I think. Maybe try coming up with a more realistic comparison. comparing a tuned single action and the safe action system employed by glock is like comparing a yugo to a BMW and saying the beamer handles better.


BTW I do own a tuned 1911 and also have the 3.5 # trigger package in three of my glocks and I shoot it just fine.
 
Not in my case. I don't really have a weapon of choice.
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From your posts we all know that your favorite gun is the Sig. and I have never seen you do a serious critique on it.

I will admit my favorite is the High Power but as I have stated I have also come down hard on it on the FN forum and even on this forum.W.R.
 
to Gunner

ok how can you ever compare a "tuned" single action to a box stock non single action.......
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I was comparing apples to apples. The Glock trigger system I purchased is listed as a competition package complete with custom work and fitting to this system to enable it to be used in competition. I therefore was not in error in the least to compare it to a competition package in a 1911 which would also be used for competition. W.R.
 
I like most people basically use a Glock for recreational weekend shooting. The pistol's light weight, top heaviness, heavy trigger pull and most importantly creepy trigger pull take it out of the class of a good competition gun.

Most people that use a Glock use it for serious social purposes like LEO duty weapon, or CCW and home defense. ALso I have won many a competetions with my stock glocks . The trigger is just fine. Its not a 1911 but its fine. Also its best to stick with glock parts instead of aftermarket for many reason from reliability to liability.
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whatever lifts your skirt brother...........the way I see it there is a man despreate to justify to himself the spending of a whole lot of money and in a very odd way of doing so has to slam anything that doesnt cost as much....................but whatever.........bored now.
 
I'm sorry, but my favorite weapon is not the SIG. I really do not like the cheap feel of the plastic grips or the way I can shift their position slightly in my hand. Furthermore, I really don't like SIG .45s at all. I may prefer a certain gun over another for different purposes, but that does not make it my personal favorite above all else.

Again, I don't disagree with most of your criticisms, but I think your bias toward "the classics" makes you try to belittle everyone else's choice in guns. It's almost as if you are pointing out how ignorant we all are for buying these "crappy" guns when the BHP or 1911 is so perfect and an obvious choice. That is the message I get from reading your posts. If you are not trying to come across like that, you may want to reword some of your opinions.
 
WR,

I like most people basically use a Glock for recreational weekend shooting. The pistol's light weight, top heaviness, heavy trigger pull and most importantly creepy trigger pull take it out of the class of a good competition gun.
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Not all of us live in Ohio, where the only uses for handguns are "plinking" and "competition".

Many of us in free states with shall-issue CCW laws trust our lives to Glocks daily, and have been doing so for many years.

"Good competition gun"? Good for what kind of competition? Free pistol? Metallic Sillouhette shooting? IPSC? IDPA? Bullseye? PPC? Bianchi Cup? Pin shooting?

One TFL poster, kn4qb, has a wall full of plaques from the local IPSC club from regularly cleaning up in the Production class for some five months running with a bone-stock Glock 17. Many combat-style competition shooters like the Glock for its quick trigger reset and large capacity, as well as its durability.

Were you aware that leading IPSC shooters are using double-stack polymer-framed 1911's by STI, SVI and others for many years now?

Judging all pistols, say, CCW guns or duty sidearms, by 1970's vintage bullseye competition standards is simply being unrealistic.
 
To Tamara

Judging all pistols, say, CCW guns or duty sidearms, by 1970's vintage bullseye competition standards is simply being unrealistic.
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I certainly do judge all weapons by the Original Colt 1911 because it is the standard by which they are all measured. (assuming we are speaking of combat or target centerfire pistols)

Anyone is free to use any weapon he wants but that does not mean he has chosen the best weapon. Anyone can become very proficient with a weapon but when you look at the average person in competition and I am talking precision shooting not shooting fast at big targets that you are just trying to knock down, the 1911 has dominated bullseye competition where extreme accuracy is demanded. You can become very good at other types of competition with other types of handguns but you place yourself at an exteme disadvantage if you do not choose the right weapon when precision shooting is concerned as in bullseye competition.

AS you mentioned they do indeed use 1911 weapons in other types of shooting besides Bullseye competiton. This further proves that the 1911 is so good that it excells in any many, many types of competiton but that the other pistols that may be good for some types of competition fail miserably in bullseye shooting.

Many people have told me that they actually shoot the 1911 better in the fast draw type competition than when using some of the new wave pistols. The 1911 is balanced correctly and points much more naturally than many of the top heavy unbalanced new wave guns.

The first priority of a good pistol is a good trigger pull and when you do not have this you are lost right from the start. It also must have a certian amount of weight for you to hold it steady. It should also point naturally in the hand and not be unbalanced.
These are some of the critical reasons that I have never liked the Glock when I was serious about consistantly hitting what I was shooting at. This is exactly why I bought the competition trigger. I was trying to improve its performance so that I would be able to hit more consistantly with it. My biggest complaint besides safety has always been the trigger pull on them. There just does not seem to be anything you can do to them to make them compare to some of the other weapons that either do have good triggers or can be made to have a good trigger pulls. W.R.
 
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One question for you W.R. since you brought up this trigger issue. Now as you claim the Glock trigger will never be up to par with the 1911 or BHP trigger competition wise - Which handgun can you fire the most rapidly - Your (and mine) beloved BHP or a Glock? Which of the two can you fire accurately the most rapidly?
 
I certainly do judge all weapons by the Original Colt 1911 because it is the stadard by which they are all measured.

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This further proves that the 1911 is so good that it excells in any type of competiton
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Throw away your Benelli MP95's and Hammerli Free Pistols, chuck your Metallic Sillhouette revolvers and your PPC guns. Wild Romanian hath spoken. :rolleyes:

I'm outta this one to go find places where folks still use logic...
 
One question for you W.R. since you brought up this trigger issue. Now as you claim the Glock trigger will never be up to par with the 1911 or BHP trigger competition wise - Which handgun can you fire the most rapidly - Your (and mine) beloved BHP or a Glock? Which of the two can you fire accurately the most rapidly?
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You bring up a good point. I am not afraid to critique any weapon even one of my favorites. The main criticism of the high power has always been its trigger reset. Yes it can be improved but it does not reset as quickly as the 1911 because you must let the trigger come farther forward.

What is not admitted to is that when you are talking about aimed rapid fire and not just blasting off the gun as fast as you can pull the trigger the High Power is still a very good gun. I personally have no problem at all shooting the high power fast in aimed rapid fire but if one is used to say a 1911 you will have to reajust your style to the High Power which is a different gun with a different trigger pull. The same can be said of the Glock. Many people have a hell of a time with the Glocks creepy trigger both in slow and rapid fire until they either get rid of it or learn to live with it. W.R.
 
The 1911 is balanced correctly and points much more naturally than many of the top heavy unbalanced new wave guns.


This is very personal oppinion. I like the way the glock balances better than the 1911. It also points better. If you can't with the target quickly and accruately with a glock your the problem not the gun because too many other people can. Also it seems that most competative shooters that use 1911 in competetion carry glocks for CCW and defense.
Makes you want to say hmm.
PAT
 
not shooting fast at big targets that you are just trying to knock down,
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Like in a self-defense situation?

The 1911 is balanced correctly and points much more naturally than many of the top heavy unbalanced new wave guns.
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Actually I prefer the Glock or Walther P99 due to their lower bore axis, in relation to the firing hand. Which allows me faster recovery times between shots, for me the Glocks slightly longer trigger reset is negated by my ability to recover a proper sight picture and alignment must faster than with a 1911.

The first priority of a good pistol is a good trigger pull and when you do not have this you are lost right from the start.
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For me the first priority of a good pistol is reliability, because if you aint shootin, you are lost right from the start.

My biggest complaint besides safety has always been the trigger pull on them.
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If the safety of a Glock is a concern or complaint, then you need to remember your gun safety rules. DO NOT PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU WANT TO FIRE THE WEAPON. I have never seen an accident with a Glock that wasn't caused by the shooter breaking this rule. I don't count the "Gun store tales" either, only first hand experience.
The trigger pull on my G17 is fine, consistent, smoothe, 5 lb. pull, and goes BANG every time.
 
For me the first priority of a good pistol is reliability, because if you aint shootin, you are lost right from the start.
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Bingo! That is precisely the point.

I love my Springfield Loaded Stainless, and so far it has been 100% reliable with FMJ and JHPs of various brands, but I would not want to pit it against my Glock on NMGlocker's dare. I know that the Glock will go bang every time I pull the trigger, without fail. 1911s are known for many things, including outstanding triggers and excellent balance and pointability, but out-of-the-box reliability is not among them. I trust my 1911 as a carry gun once it has digested several hundred or even thousand rounds of JHP without a glitch, but that's the exception in 1911s, not the rule. With a Glock, you can bet money on its out-of-the-box reliability with any kind of ammo you care to feed it.
 
Tamara said, "Not all of us live in Ohio, where the only uses for handguns are "plinking" and "competition".

That's cruel ( and true , but you left out hunting). Actually though, that 's probably the best reason to own a little concealable Glock here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. ;)
 
WR, just answer this one question, thats all. What competitive forums do you participate in? Pick from one of the following:

IDPA?
USPSA?
Steel Challenge?
Bianchi Cup?
3-gun?
any action pistol?

I can answer for you! NONE! How do I know this?

BECAUSE THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF GLOCKS IN COMPETITIVE ACTION PISTOL FORUMS!!!

In your case, it is so much better to beleive that you know, than to know...
 
I have come to the conclusion tha WR is a blowhard looking to stir people up. I take his opinions for what they are, VERY FLAWED and extremely inaccurate to say the very least.
Know what WR, to be honest and say what you will, I carried one on duty for 14 years in the CORPS, not because I had confidence in it or because it is that by which all others are judged but because I was FORCED to.
Put simply, when I need a weapon to trust my life to I highly doubt it will be an obsolete 100 year old design with levers all over it that are not needed. (No flame to 1911s, I love them but they have a function, and to me they are more suited to the range than my personal defense battery)
Others I am sure have differing opinions and that is allowed but to think that if your gun is not one these 85+ year old designs it is plastic or stamped sheet metal junk is simply quite stupid.
 
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WR needs good lube.
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