Visible Carry

i was told in ky that as long as you had your ccw that you gun could be anywhere. when i go to work mine is laying onto of the 2 cup holders in plain sight below my gear shift.

do you happen to know if this is legal? ky has very vague laws and its very hard to find detailed info on their gun laws. here in oh you can get a 20 page book from the attorney gen. website

I've let my Ky CCDW Instructor qualification expire (still keeping by own CCDW of course) but I still keep up with the law and it hasn't changed on most points.

If you know any friendly Ky CCDW instructors (unfortunately the state deliberately ran most individual instructors out of the program a few years ago) one source of a lot of information about Ky CCDW law would be the video tapes that are a required part of the Ky CCDW training program. The state trusts the instructors to present the firearms parts of the training, but requires the legal parts to be presented from official videos. The presentations are a real cure for insomnia but there is a lot of good information. The content was developed by the Justice Cabinet and reviewed by the OAG so it is about as close to gospel as you can get beyond just reading the text of the statute.

Kentucky has no laws about open carry. The state constitution specifically authorizes the state to regulate concealed carry. In writing KY's CCDW law, the legislature extended a very limited authority to local jurisdictions to further regulate concealed carry - although several cities have ordinances that clearly exceed their legal authority, none of those have been challenged in court (at least in part because no one is interested in deliberately getting arrested just to be a test case).

As for carrying in a car in Kentucky, the law gets a little bit strange.

Carry is generally defined as 'on or about your person' so yes, with a CCDW permit you could carry a gun anywhere in your car other than on some other person.

There is also a state law that specifically says a gun in the glove compartment of a car is NOT being carried concealed. Unfortunately, the law did not actually define whether the gun in the glove compartment was not being "carried" or not being "concealed" (an issue of interest to lawyers but mostly of little interest to anyone else). The gun in the glove compartment can be loaded or unloaded and the glove compartment can be locked or unlocked, but it must be the glove compartment of the vehicle as manufactured. The law does not address any other storage compartments such as a console. Also the law is old enough that it specifically refers to the "glove compartment" although I note that most manufacturers no longer actually call it that. Again, there have been no test cases, precedents, or case law to narrow or widen the meaning of the law.

We do have case law in Kentucky stating that for a firearm to be concealed, there must be a deliberate attempt to conceal it -- simply being out of sight does not necessarily make a gun concealed, and simply being visible does not necessarily make a gun not concealed. For example, a gun in a typical strong side hip holster worn under an unbuttoned suit jacket is almost certainly 'concealed' even if it can be seen at some angles but a gun in an SOB holster with no jacket is not concealed. A gun in a gun case is generaly not 'concealed' but a gun in a briefcase generally is. Like many laws where intent is an essential element, there are certainly grey areas and situations where different people, different police officers, and especially different juries may have different opinions.

Another oddity in Kentucky CCDW laws about vehicles is that a property owner can ban concealed carry on their property but that ban does not extend to a weapon inside a CCDW permit holder's car so long as the gun is kept in the car and not displayed. So, if your employer prohibits guns at work (as most foolishly do) and says the ban includes all company property including the parking lot, you can legally leave your gun in your car. You can also carry your gun in your car even if you use the car on company business, but your employers rule would apply outside your car.

One thing to watch out concerning either open or concealed carry in an automobile is that many states have laws and regulations about "hunting" that also address firearms in vehicles completely separately from the assorted 'carry' laws. It may be illegal to carry any loaded firearm in a vehicle in some locations or some times of year under some regulation by the Deaprtment of Natural Resources or Department of Fish & Wildlife or whatever your state calls it.
 
most people around my part of the big T would probably just think you were a deputy, no problem as long as you dont portray yourself that way
In my experience, the reactions to open carry are largely the product of the overall situation.

The times I have carried openly, I am fairly certain that 99% of the people around me never even noticed. If you are dressed appropriately for where you are and what you are doing, most people don't pay close attention to you at all.

If you are wearing jeans and a hoodie, with a pistol stuck in the front of your belt when you decide to stop by a convenience store just before closing, you can expect the clerk to wake up and notice you.... Probably with a bad outcome one way or another.

On the other hand, if you are neatly groomed and dressed in business casual with a Glock in a strong-side hip holster when you stop for lunch at a local restaurant down the block from the police station, no one is likely to notice that you don't have a badge clipped to your belt like the other two tables of armed guys.
 
I live in Washington State also, and the above link that I posted has many people carrying in the open in a local park. They were testing the law that the state says that you can carry in a state park but the local county says that you can't. Seems to me that the open carry folks won the battle. I think we need more people to press the issue. Of course that's only my opinion.:D
 
Like Roy, I live in Nevada, although I think he lives in southern Nevada (?) and I live in Reno. I've open carried a couple of times in the last two weeks -- wrote about the first one in another thread. I haven't noticed many others doing so, but I've also noticed that very few people seem to be bothered by my doing so even if they notice I'm carrying at all.

Sunday my husband and I drove down to Carson City to check out a 4th of July carnival that had been advertised. I open carried. Wasn't much there except carnie rides and kid stuff, so we didn't stick around long, but we did talk with some people at a couple of craft booths.

One of them was selling swords and knives -- mostly costume junk or cheap replicas. He was curious about my gun, asked if it was a fashion statement. <G> I carry an S&W Model 60, a J-Frame with a 3" barrel that's right on the edge between "snubby" and "real gun" in size and weight. It's stainless steel and I keep it clean, so it looks decent, but the grips are 100% functional Crimson Trace Laser grips, not polished wood or mother of pearl or anything fancy. I didn't tell him that his question told *me* more than I wanted to know about his idea of fashion and knowledge of guns. ;-)

The other booth was selling standard cheap tourist trinkets. The couple managing it asked outright, "Is that legal," when they saw my gun, not challenging but actually curious. I assured them that in Nevada it is legal to open carry, although in Clark County and some cities in southern Nevada there were some special requirements. The woman said, "Oh, you have a permit." I explained that I did have a permit to carry concealed, but that a permit was not required to carry openly as I was doing.

The guy asked, "Could I do this?" He went on to explain that they were from Oregon, but traveled a great deal for their business, hitting carnivals, and had faced some robbery attempts and attempts to steal their truck. I told him that he was as free to carry as I was in Nevada, but that he'd be very wise to find out what the laws were, get training if he chose to get a gun, and then make sure his insurance covered both the gun and any liability to use it. When we left, it was clear that he was thinking long and hard about what I'd told him.

This was at a carnival with a bunch of families with small children wandering about. The only people who mentioned the gun were a guy who was trying to sell stuff to us and a traveling curio salesman who was thinking he might want to do the same thing.
 
I think one reason you get negative reaction from LEO with open carry is there is no process like there is with CCW. That makes me a little nervous as well. I am sure we have all seen behaviour on the range that makes us cringe. The thought of some of "those people" walking around town with a gun on their hip scares me silly.

There is also the "leave it to us professionals" attitude. We had the same thing in the Army regarding Active Duty versus the National Guard and Reserves. Snobby ? Elitist ? Yes. but it is a hard thing to overcome.

And before I get flamed, I am not suggesting that something change. If I had a solution that would not take away rights, I would suggest it, but I don't.
 
i open carry My S&W 686 4 inch, or my FNP-9 on a daily basis. Now in Utah you can carry concealed and fully loaded in your car at the age of 18. or anyones car who gives you permission to do so
 
Open carry up here, you bet

I live in the North Idaho Panhandle area and open carry is fairly common. Most places won't even blink if you walk into their shop with a hangun on your side. You must be 16 to carry here and my 1st experience with open carry was my first day in Idaho.
I was in a Subway sandwich store and a family of 4 walked in and they were all carrying. Mom, Dad, son and daughter. I asked the manager if it bothered him they were carrying and his answer was simply "I'd rather see they were carrying, than to be surprised later." He said it was legal and common and he feels safer with the open carry law out here. Nobody thinks about it out here. Since I haven't gotten my Conceal Carry Permit yet, on occasion I open carry my XD45, not often, but nobody pays much attention to it. They notice but that's about it. No comments or staring. Where I work the guys and I often bring in our pistols, rifles or whatever and show them to each other. It's pretty amazing how many women where I work carry concealed in their cars. They seem to have the nicest pistols out there too. We don't bring them into the building but no problems in the parking lot.
I think open carry should be the law not the other way around.
 
I live in VA just a few minutes outside DC. In that general area and the surrounding suburbs I have never seen open carry. However, I've seen it in the more southern/rural areas of VA a couple of times. One time I saw a couple in Glocher carrying at an Olies and some guy at a track auto in Richmond. As for myself, I've only done a couple times on my way in and out of the range.
 
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