It's easy to understand. In Virginia, when it is an off year election when nobody is running for statewide office, there is very little attention given to the election in the newspaper or on TV or radio because the election is only for local house of delegates members. TV and other news media don't have a good reason to cover the local elections because the particular candidate for the House of Delegates or State Senate will be of interest to only the portion of their audience that will be voting for that candidate. When we go to vote, we have never heard of some of the candidates because they didn't have to resources to make themselves known and local media didn't cover them.
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Virginia HB 961 Fails in Senate Committee
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I get all that but geez, now looking at the outcry after the last VA election, kinda seems to me that 'voters' ought to NOT rely on only "TV and other news media", do their due diligence and find out about the who, what, why, when of any election. Not hard...It's easy to understand. In Virginia, when it is an off year election when nobody is running for statewide office, there is very little attention given to the election in the newspaper or on TV or radio because the election is only for local house of delegates members. TV and other news media don't have a good reason to cover the local elections because the particular candidate for the House of Delegates or State Senate will be of interest to only the portion of their audience that will be voting for that candidate. When we go to vote, we have never heard of some of the candidates because they didn't have to resources to make themselves known and local media didn't cover them.
If the candidates are not covered in the media and they don't have the money for a big Bloomberg type propaganda campaign, how is one to find out about all of the stuff you mention? When I go to the voting booth in our local elections, I have frequently never heard of the candidates for the school board, agricultural districts, etc.I get all that but geez, now looking at the outcry after the last VA election, kinda seems to me that 'voters' ought to NOT rely on only "TV and other news media", do their due diligence and find out about the who, what, why, when of any election. Not hard...
jrinne0430
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If the candidates are not covered in the media and they don't have the money for a big Bloomberg type propaganda campaign, how is one to find out about all of the stuff you mention? When I go to the voting booth in our local elections, I have frequently never heard of the candidates for the school board, agricultural districts, etc.
+1 osbornk
All the political ads on tv currently seen (at least by me) in the NOVA are from Bloomberg and are played frequently. Also take a look at YouTube, those will see his billions at work. Local candidates could not compete against those whom Bloomberg owned via campaign dollars. Yes, elections can be bought, especially when the differences are only a few hundred votes. Wonder how he gets the positive press and “suddenly” moving up in the polls?
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Armed_Chicagoan
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Every candidate has a web site where they say where they stand on the issues. It's not like they were keeping their anti-gun wishes secret, they proclaimed them for all to see. If you didn't know what the candidates on your ballot stood for, especially on guns, it's because you didn't bother to take a few minutes to look at their campaign web site.osbornk said:If the candidates are not covered in the media and they don't have the money for a big Bloomberg type propaganda campaign, how is one to find out about all of the stuff you mention? When I go to the voting booth in our local elections, I have frequently never heard of the candidates for the school board, agricultural districts, etc.
I know ya got a computer or you wouldn't be on this forum..EVERY candidate has a web site..pretty easy...If the candidates are not covered in the media and they don't have the money for a big Bloomberg type propaganda campaign, how is one to find out about all of the stuff you mention? When I go to the voting booth in our local elections, I have frequently never heard of the candidates for the school board, agricultural districts, etc.
Ahh already answered above.
Brownstone322
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This isn't exactly true, not for the 2019 elections, anyway. Every day this past October -- and I mean EVERY DAY -- my mail box was bombarded by political flyers that were glossy and expensive looking. Several of them every single day.It's easy to understand. In Virginia, when it is an off year election when nobody is running for statewide office, there is very little attention given to the election in the newspaper or on TV or radio because the election is only for local house of delegates members. TV and other news media don't have a good reason to cover the local elections because the particular candidate for the House of Delegates or State Senate will be of interest to only the portion of their audience that will be voting for that candidate. When we go to vote, we have never heard of some of the candidates because they didn't have to resources to make themselves known and local media didn't cover them.
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I lived in Northern Virginia for several years before I moved back to the sticks. You have no clue of the difference between the different worlds of Virginia. Where I live, we have very few signs and spotty cell phone and internet service. It's not unusual to see very few signs anywhere and that is a reason we don't know the candidates or who they are to even look them up on the internet. My congressman covers the entire end of the state and it is probably over 200 miles from one end to the other and it borders WV, TN, NC and KY. Our local TV and newspapers are in or on the Tennessee border so our news coverage is mostly about Tennessee. We once got Virginia news from stations and newspapers in Roanoke, Va. but the newspaper stopped delivering on this end of the state and the cable and satellite for TV is not allowed to carry then by law (it changed several years ago). Other than Virginia laws, tags and legal documents, we have nothing in common with the rest of the state.when I lived in NoVa all it took is one yard sign and I started asking questions. Sheriff, city counsel, county commission, mayor, dog catcher, school board..... there's no reason for folks to be bar stool complainers.
I'm a bit familiar with folks living in the sticks as I have quite a bit of family in southern WVa. in 1985 I could buy your argument. in 2020 that just doesn't fly when you can look up the temperature and time of sunrise in Tahiti on your cell phone. how can you not be connected in some fashion to your local/regional politics now-a-days? the fact that you are engaged here is proof of this.I lived in Northern Virginia for several years before I moved back to the sticks. You have no clue of the difference between the different worlds of Virginia. Where I live, we have very few signs and spotty cell phone and internet service. It's not unusual to see very few signs anywhere and that is a reason we don't know the candidates or who they are to even look them up on the internet. My congressman covers the entire end of the state and it is probably over 200 miles from one end to the other and it borders WV, TN, NC and KY. Our local TV and newspapers are in or on the Tennessee border so our news coverage is mostly about Tennessee. We once got Virginia news from stations and newspapers in Roanoke, Va. but the newspaper stopped delivering on this end of the state and the cable and satellite for TV is not allowed to carry then by law (it changed several years ago). Other than Virginia laws, tags and legal documents, we have nothing in common with the rest of the state.
jrinne0430
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when I lived in NoVa all it took is one yard sign and I started asking questions. Sheriff, city counsel, county commission, mayor, dog catcher, school board..... there's no reason for folks to be bar stool complainers.
How long ago was that? Though HB961 has been stopped for the year, the one handgun a month, universal background checks, red flag, locality bills, and many more are still active. In addition, with the upcoming redistricting, and huge changes to voting laws under bills SB34 and HB19 (provides driver's licenses to anyone with no requirement to prove citizenship). This will have a very large indirect impact to our rights in the coming elections.
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jrinne0430
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I left NoVa in 2004. I remember well asking Bernie at Virginia Arms how many days until I could buy another gun.
That was a long, long time ago. VA is not the same as it was in 16yrs ago. Heck, it's not the same it was five years ago. Stafford and northward changes by the month. Try visiting Manassas or Woodbridge, you will not recognize it or Prince William county, Fairfax, Arlington, etc.. If you feel brave, try visiting one of the parks in Manassas or Woodbridge.
For those of us currently living in VA, there are many more (direct and indirect) gun control bills which are very much alive. Some are so absurd, you have to ask where or how they come up with them. Our battles will be on many fronts now.
For those outside of VA, watch out. This disease is spreading!
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I'm glad you like living in your fantasy world. The part of southern West Virginia you speak of is clearly not on the western end. The eastern and middle part of West Virginia is a different world from the western tip.I'm a bit familiar with folks living in the sticks as I have quite a bit of family in southern WVa. in 1985 I could buy your argument. in 2020 that just doesn't fly when you can look up the temperature and time of sunrise in Tahiti on your cell phone. how can you not be connected in some fashion to your local/regional politics now-a-days? the fact that you are engaged here is proof of this.
well duh. if its southern its clearly not western, middle, or eastern. but that's a different state than Va. anyway.I'm glad you like living in your fantasy world. The part of southern West Virginia you speak of is clearly not on the western end. The eastern and middle part of West Virginia is a different world from the western tip.
jrinne0430
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Below is a status update from VCDL.
Status of gun bills in the Senate on Monday, February 24
The Senate Judiciary committee met on Monday.
One victory: HB 1288 (takes away gun rights for misdemeanors) was passed by for the year. Most of the other bills were modified to tone them down slightly, and then passed out of committee. All Democrats on the committee voted wrong on every bill, except HB 1288 (Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, and Morrissey voted with Republicans) and HB 9 (Senator Petersen voted with Republicans). Republicans voted correctly on everything. The bills are now headed to the Senate Floor, where they can be modified again and voted on in a few days.
Here is the status of the bills that were considered (Senator's names in red voted wrong):
H.B. 2
Patron: Plum
Universal Background Check was conformed to the Senate version, which applies only to bonafide sale and not transfers. It passed out of the committee on a 9 to 5 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Chafin--5.
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H.B. 9
Patron: Bourne
Must report lost/stolen firearm within 24 hours after discovering loss. Squeaked out on a 8 to 7 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--8.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin, Petersen--7.
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H.B. 264
Patron: Lopez
Eliminates online training for CHP and was modified to continue allowing NRA instructors to teach. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
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H.B. 421
Patron: Price
Allows localities to pass their own gun control, but was modified to narrow the focus of where guns could be controlled. However, some new locations were added to what locations could be controlled (recreation and community centers). So government can turn areas it controls into "gun free" shooting galleries, with with no requirement to even provide extra security. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 674
Patron: Sullivan
Red Flag law, modified to be similar to the Senate version, but with weaker protections than the Senate version. This bill is still horrendous for our civil rights. Government is not held liable for errors or omissions in stripping you of your firearms, nor are they responsible if your guns, in their possession, get lost of damaged. If this bill isn't tyrannical, I don't know what is. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
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H.B. 812
Patron: Ward
One Handgun a Month, modified to add an exception for CHP holders. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
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H.B. 1004
Patron: Mullin
Permanent protective orders take way right to keep and bear arms while in force. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 1080
Patron: Hope
Restricts even further who can have a firearm on K-12 school property. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 5 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--5.
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H.B. 1083
Patron: Hayes
Person who leaves a loaded firearm "recklessly" where someone under the age of 18 can have access, could be charged with a Class 6 FELONY. Modified in committee to lower the age back to 14 years-old and reduced the penalty from a Class 6 felony to a Class 1 misdemeanor (up from a Class 3 misdemeanor in current law). Passed out of committee on a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 1288
Patron: Murphy
Takes away gun rights for misdemeanor stalking, sexual battery, hate crime, or domestic violence. This bill was carried over for the year (dead) by a 12 to 3 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Norment, Lucas, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin, Deeds, Petersen, Morrissey--12.
NAYS--Surovell, McClellan, Boysko--3.
Status of gun bills in the Senate on Monday, February 24
The Senate Judiciary committee met on Monday.
One victory: HB 1288 (takes away gun rights for misdemeanors) was passed by for the year. Most of the other bills were modified to tone them down slightly, and then passed out of committee. All Democrats on the committee voted wrong on every bill, except HB 1288 (Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, and Morrissey voted with Republicans) and HB 9 (Senator Petersen voted with Republicans). Republicans voted correctly on everything. The bills are now headed to the Senate Floor, where they can be modified again and voted on in a few days.
Here is the status of the bills that were considered (Senator's names in red voted wrong):
H.B. 2
Patron: Plum
Universal Background Check was conformed to the Senate version, which applies only to bonafide sale and not transfers. It passed out of the committee on a 9 to 5 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Chafin--5.
-
H.B. 9
Patron: Bourne
Must report lost/stolen firearm within 24 hours after discovering loss. Squeaked out on a 8 to 7 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--8.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin, Petersen--7.
-
H.B. 264
Patron: Lopez
Eliminates online training for CHP and was modified to continue allowing NRA instructors to teach. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 421
Patron: Price
Allows localities to pass their own gun control, but was modified to narrow the focus of where guns could be controlled. However, some new locations were added to what locations could be controlled (recreation and community centers). So government can turn areas it controls into "gun free" shooting galleries, with with no requirement to even provide extra security. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 674
Patron: Sullivan
Red Flag law, modified to be similar to the Senate version, but with weaker protections than the Senate version. This bill is still horrendous for our civil rights. Government is not held liable for errors or omissions in stripping you of your firearms, nor are they responsible if your guns, in their possession, get lost of damaged. If this bill isn't tyrannical, I don't know what is. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 812
Patron: Ward
One Handgun a Month, modified to add an exception for CHP holders. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 1004
Patron: Mullin
Permanent protective orders take way right to keep and bear arms while in force. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 1080
Patron: Hope
Restricts even further who can have a firearm on K-12 school property. Passed out of committee by a 9 to 5 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--5.
-
H.B. 1083
Patron: Hayes
Person who leaves a loaded firearm "recklessly" where someone under the age of 18 can have access, could be charged with a Class 6 FELONY. Modified in committee to lower the age back to 14 years-old and reduced the penalty from a Class 6 felony to a Class 1 misdemeanor (up from a Class 3 misdemeanor in current law). Passed out of committee on a 9 to 6 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey--9.
NAYS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin--6.
-
H.B. 1288
Patron: Murphy
Takes away gun rights for misdemeanor stalking, sexual battery, hate crime, or domestic violence. This bill was carried over for the year (dead) by a 12 to 3 vote.
YEAS--Edwards, Saslaw, Norment, Lucas, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Chafin, Deeds, Petersen, Morrissey--12.
NAYS--Surovell, McClellan, Boysko--3.
Sheeshwell duh. if its southern its clearly not western, middle, or eastern. but that's a different state than Va. anyway.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Hint 01: The topic of discussion in this thread is Virginia HB 961.
Hint 02: Check your sarcasm at the door.
Hint 02: Check your sarcasm at the door.