Violent crime correlated to lead gasoline?

TheFacts, maybe you should read some of these studies .The latest French one about sperm count was just recently released.Larger than the other studies and confirms the results. The effect of the extra 'estrogen' also been seen on marine life.
Immune system problems should be rather obvious as cancer treatment is now an ever growing business.More cancer research, treatment and more people you know who have the problem.
Do some research ,it's there ,I'm not going to do it for you.
 
Lead has been poisoning people for at least a couple of thousand years. Heck, the Romans had lead water pipes.
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I can top that.....
A city of 50,000 near where I live still has lead water mains.

I saw them just last year when we had a main shutoff replaced.
 
Mete, I have read many of the studies you mentioned, and even though some present compelling conclusions, you must realize that most of these medical studies use statistical analysis for the basis of their research. While statistics are an effective tool for methodology, they cannot prove a hypothesis; only provide support for one.

There are hundreds of known carcinogens, both natural and artificial, and confirming their toxic effects requires controlled, laboratory procedures. Pure statistical-only studies can only correlate a cause; not confirm it. Lastly, the study MUST be reproduced by peer research in order to substantiate the study.

This is what I mean when I say where is the proof. The hypothesis must stand the test of time and fresh studies are not gospel.



Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
TheFacts said:
Mete, I have read many of the studies you mentioned, and even though some present compelling conclusions, you must realize that most of these medical studies use statistical analysis for the basis of their research. While statistics are an effective tool for methodology, they cannot prove a hypothesis; only provide support for one.
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While your absolutely correct for a scientific analysis, laws aren't going to get passed on science. This correlation without proof of causation is a plenty good rhetorical device to argue with against the emotional drivel that pushed through the NY state ban just today.

http://courses.durhamtech.edu/perkins/aris.html

Our immediate struggle is one of persuasion, not one of proof. The gun ban arguments are made on ethos and pathos, not logos. And we can counter them the same way, using ethos and pathos. This "potential" connection provides ammunition for those techniques, despite the fact that it's not a valid peer reviewed established fact.

Remember, we're not in a fair fight here. We don't have to lie, and frankly cannot afford to lie. While the other side can almost make up baloney at will without getting called to order on it. But these studies present credible doubts to their claim. Not absolute, to be sure. But slowing down the train is better than doing nothing while we're arguing about effectiveness of different braking systems.
 
Mrbatchelor...couldn't agree more. Laws like what was just past in NY typify a certain and very tangible type of disease...the disease of the mind caused by a highly infectious pathogen of ignorance and fear. Unfortunately, the only effective way to treat this disease is to "kill" the patient. Sad but true.

Please note that I am only speaking figuratively, not literally, but nevertheless, ignorance and fear are highly contagious and all the logic and rational "treatment" will only work on all relatively small percentage of the infected.



Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
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