Vigilantes!!!???

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roger-ruger

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:mad: To date 123 people have been gunned down since the start of this year in the largest city in the world-DAVAO, Philippines. Vigilante style killings have continue unabated killing in broad daylight 3 to 6 individuals in one day. victims are most thought to be pickpockets, drug peddlers, pushers, drug-users, ex-cons. age ranging from 14 to 60s. male and female. some have even been shot infront of family members, wives, kids, father and mothers. the group responsible is thought to belong to the dreaded DDS (Davao Death Squad). so far no one has dared to submit sworn statements as witness for fear of reprisals.
the group is said to be supported by the local city govt., giving credence in the city's effort in the fight against drugs.

im so tired of this vigilante crap. for GOD's sake these are human beings being executed Iraq style. actions like these have no place in the modern society. we now belong to a modern society and environment we have laws in placed all we need is to enforce them. though, its every good citizens right to take precaution and safeguards against thugs, rapist, murderers, etc. but taking law into your hands is just as immoral in the war in serbia, iraq, the drug wars in mexico, angola and GOD knows where.

i just wish we dont crossed paths as i will not be an idle witness.

vent mode off. :mad:
 
but taking law into your hands is just as immoral in the war in serbia, iraq, the drug wars in mexico, angola and GOD knows where.
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Goverment inaction, forcing citizns to go overboard, is just as inexcusable.

People want ther group to be safe, if crime is not addressed by the govermental forces that we are forced to rely on those that oppose crime will seek their own resolutions.

When the criminals get tired of being targeted they will either fight back, causing a street war, or they will find more honest pursuits.
 
im so tired of this vigilante crap. for GOD's sake these are human beings being executed Iraq style.
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AMEN!!

Vigilante (n.) A person belonging to a vigilance committee. [Sp. < Lat. vigilans, pr. part of vigilare, to be watchful , vigil, on the watch.]
From The American Heritage Dictionary, second college edition.

The Demosocialist elite who love to brand gun owners as outlaws have worked over the decades to equate "vigilante" with "lynch mob." Since they are incapable of accurate usage of the English language, it is up to us to educate others that vigilante" does not equal "lynch mob."

By the true and accurate definition of "vigilante," your local neiborhood watch group is a vigilante group. I have never heard such an organization accused of being a lynch mob.



Goverment inaction, forcing citizns to go overboard, is just as inexcusable.
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AMEN X2!! If "The Government" would do its job, We The People wouldn't be forced to do it for them. :D
 
Well has the rate of crime gone down in the areas where the Vigilante's have been??
It is sad, but don't be fooled into thinking that the good guys always win. There are several places in the world that are just overwhelmed with the number of badguys and lowlifes, and the law an order folks just hasn't solved the problem, yet.
I'm not saying Vigilante's are right, but in certian areas they might not be so wrong either..
A few guys may not be able to clean up the whole city, but they can make their neighborhood safer for their families, or let it stay a sewer and get worse but just protect yourself??
Everythings not always black an white!
I sure wish the best for you all, Good Luck!
 
victims are most thought to be pickpockets, drug peddlers, pushers, drug-users, ex-cons. age ranging from 14 to 60s. male and female. some have even been shot infront of family members, wives, kids, father and mothers.
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I think that killing the violent, sleazy type of drug pusher in front of his family would be a good idea. Same with pickpockets.
 
Government has only these responsibilities:

To preserve and protect the lives and property of its citizens.

Nothing else. They don't need to giving money out, nor are public schools part of that even. No free healthcare or the like. Preserve and protect by keeping the bad folks OFF the street.

Now, when a government fails to preserve and protect, and the citizens have no other choice, it is their inalienable right to take whatever action nessicary to preserve and protect their lives and property.

That sounds like what is going on.
 
...these are human beings being executed Iraq style.
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Wait a second-- you declared this to be the actions of individuals on the street.
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ex·e·cu·tion (ek-si-'kyü-sh&n)
n. The act or an instance of putting to death or being put to death as a lawful penalty.
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This doesn't make the definition. Call it murder, or manslaughter, or homicide (lawful or otherwise). Don't call it execution, though. That's not the right use of the term.
 
The Phillipine govt is rotten to its core and hopelessly corrupt from the top down. The ghost of Marcos still haunts the place 20 years after they shoveled dirt on him. Everybody in govt "service" is on the take and in it for themselves.
The actions those people are taking are probably the last desperate resort they left, and the only way they can take back their streets and neighborhoods from the scumbags.
What would you do faced with a similar situation?

jonathon,

Govt's responsibilities are to safeguard liberty and the Constitution and provide for the common defense. For everything else you are ( or should be) on your own.
 
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but taking law into your hands is just as immoral in the war in serbia, iraq, the drug wars in mexico, angola and GOD knows where.


Help me out here........ :confused:

Am I the only one here that isn't sure I know the context and what it means?


I think it means before friendly forces went into action to help regain control........ please tell me that is what you mean.?


Thanks....
 
Now I don't have an opinion on what's going on in the phillipines... sounds like bad behavior to me... but blanketly labelling " vigilante's" as criminals is just wrong. In fact, applying the vigilante label to people that are only doing what the government is supposed to be doing is also wrong.

I can tell you when my vehicle is continually broken into, and when I ask the LEO I'm filing the report with if they're gonna do anything about it... and he LAUGHS...

What other options are there?

I'm so sick and tired of so called "Law Enforcement" doing nothing to stop real crime and spending all their time setting up DWI checkpoints and busting minors for drinking at parties. I live in Albuquerque NM and the level of crime and decay in this city is getting worse everyday. I had to move to a different neighborhood just because I could no longer afford to replace my belongings when stolen, or broken. A friend of mine was recently thrown in his own bathtub with a shotgun to his head while some thugs stole his TV and Xbox. And you think taking the law into your own hands is wrong?! Whats wrong is forcing us civilians to take the law into our own hands due to ineffective protection from the local government.

Every night the news hails the victories against drinkers, smokers, and even pot smokers. And for what? Am I any safer for these efforts? Other than drunk drivers I think not. Unlike some I dont lose sleep at night wondering what some pot smoker's gonna do to me. I also don't care what drug abusers do to themselves. They can kill themselves off as far as I care. But its not my damn business unless they make it mine... when they steal from me to support their habit... then its my business.

People fail to realize that those who begin as common crooks, stealing car radios for example, eventually become more and more brazen... sooner or later they "graduate" to braking into vacant homes... sure, maybe they'll case the joint to make sure no one's home... well, sooner or later someone will be. And then you have a potential life and death situation on your hands.

These people need to be dealt with the first time they are caught. Period. Give them a second chance... maybe... but not a third. As far as I'm concerned we need to bring back hanging... public hanging. Lets see if Joe Thug wants to continue his lifestyle when he see's his " hommie'' hanging high and dry in front of the courthouse.
 
Was Condoleeza Rices's father a vigilante when he took up arms to protect his neighborhood? Was he right or wrong to do what he did?

You really have to narrow the definition of vigilante down to a razors edge to be able to discuss this with any degree of focus.

Anyone care to try to define Vigilante?
 
roger-ruger
... victims are most thought to be pickpockets, drug peddlers, pushers, ...
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Those don't sound like victims to me. Sounds more like fair game in self-defense of self and neighborhood.

roger-ruger
we now belong to a modern society and environment we have laws in placed all we need is to enforce them.
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yeah, remove the scumbags who commit theft, rape, murder, assault, etc. against innocent people minding their own business... then maybe this "self-defense" will go away.
 
Well you would think that those perfectly sound minded islamic countries would not stand for this. But it is fair it is just to stop drug traffic
 
To date 123 people have been gunned down since the start of this year in the largest city in the world-DAVAO, Philippines.
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Well, it has a large land area, but not the largest population. In fact, between the area and population, the density of people in the area of the city is quite low compared to many other cities. Davao is something like 390th in population size.
 
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I think it's a barbaric and dangerous practice. While you can consider this to be a perverse "People's Court", it is far inferior to any structured system.

- there is no investigation
- there is no separation of arrest from trial or from penalty
- there is in fact no trial, no representation, no burden of proof
- there is no schedule of penalty (in fact, there seems to be only one all
purpose penalty)

These are just hit squads, I don't know what else you can call them. They decide who to kill on any arbitrary basis they choose, and summarily do it.

On many threads here, people seem to feel that our law enforcement and our justice system are brutal and oppressive - I can't count how many times the words "facist" and "nazi" are used to describe them. Yet here, when people are being arbitrarily murdered by civilians, the very same people seem to find that downright appealing - why is that? I honestly don't see how you can square those two views. How can you think that criminals should be treated with the greatest deference and sensitivity by the state, but summarily judged and shot by it's citizens??? :confused:
 
Anyone care to try to define Vigilante?
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While not specifically defining vigilantes, this history of vigilantes in Montana provides some intereting insights. In summary, vigilante activity in Montana developed as a means of enforcing social order before formal laws and courts were available. When formal courts arrived, the vigilantes stood down, at least until the courts proved ineffective.

As an aside, the article notes that Theodore Roosevelt, as a North Dakota rancher, was keen to join a vigilante group that was dispensing frontier justice to local cattle rustlers.
 
Vigilantes?

What ever happened to "All power comes from the people, they only designate certain functions to the government so long as the government does a good job of exercising those powers, when the government fails to do it's duty, the powers should be taken back"
This seems to be what is happening, in the very best traditions of America, which we need to start exercising again.
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