Vet's Views on Gun Control.

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Dead

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Ok I want to all you vets out there, or peope who have talked to vets, to tell me what your views on gun control in the US today. Also what in your mind would be the "right" kind of "gun control".

All the Vets I have talked to about this subject consider that there are WAYYY to many restriction on guns.

Also alot of WWII vets I have talked to have said that "There should be a Garand with 250 rounds in EVERY house."

I would have to say that I really like what they have to say. Seeing as how they were around WAY before I was, and have seen and been through wars to fight for freedom. Most of that is LOST on the newer generations.

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
Well, I am a young vet. That still doesn't change my perception of gun control. We put our lives at stake to defend the freedom of the United States. It hurts to see portions of that freedom being trampled.

Why is it an 18 year old is old enough to die for his country and old enough to vote. Yet that same 18 year old can not drink alcohol or purchase a handgun?

Why is it ok for corporations to have class III firearms to protect their "execs".

Why is it ok for armored vehicle drivers to be armed while driving around a bank's money? Yet a mother and father can not legally carry a firearm in many states to protect their children?

I am still very proud of my service to this great country. However, it also saddens me to know that commrades who fell before me are turning in their graves. The government does have its upside. Then again, they have no right to take away the Second Amendment from us.

What exactly is it we fought for? What exactly did many of us die for? Did we fight and die to protect corporation money? Did we fight and die for political gain?

No, we fought and died for what we felt was right. We fought and died for protecting the citizens of the greatest country on the face of the earth. We fought and died for what WE felt was right.

Sorry this was so long.

RLTW!

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Son
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dead:
Also alot of WWII vets I have talked to have said that "There should be a Garand with 250 rounds in EVERY house."
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I'm not a WWII vet, I enlisted in the Army in 1950 and retired in 1972 with over 3 years combat. And as far as I'm concerned "Gun Control" is the ability to hit your target.....repeatedly.
I would vote for an M1 Garand, M14 or AK-47 with 1,000 rounds, in EVERY house.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DorGunR:
I would vote for an M1 Garand, M14 or AK-47 with 1,000 rounds, in EVERY house.

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So would I so would I, I would include the M16 in that also, seeing how it is the standard arm of the military. I was just using the M1 Rifle as an example of what most, that i have talked to, WWII vets have told me.

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Dead [Black Ops]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited September 21, 2000).]
 
Vet, combat, old.

I would like to see all federal gun control laws repealed, back to and including 1934.

A main battle rifle with at least a thousand rounds in every house, AND every member of that household skilled in its use.

Eight to eighty, and beyond. If young un not yet ready to shoot big gun safely, they can enjoy learnin how to stuff strippers and load magazines.

I would add FAL and others of that ilk to DorGunR's list.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

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I was never in a hot war but I was a cold warrior.

I think DorGunR and ArmySon stated it pretty well. I would not be as specific on the weapon(s) as DorGunR. I feel that there are many good choices.
 
Well, as a future vet (13½ years down, 6½ to go) I view "gun control" as safe and effective firearms handling - nothing more, nothing less. However, I must say, that if you saw some of the things I've seen on Navy firing ranges, etc., you'd wonder why. Without going into a whole lot of detail, I'll just say there's a reason we don't normally let sailors on watch even put a magazine in a weapon, much less chamber a round.

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I served during the Vietnam era, though I was lucky enough not to get sent to that hell-hole. Imagine thinking myself lucky to be in Korea in January! IMHO, the right of self-defense existed in law, both written and common, long before the US was born. The Constitution simply affirms its existence.

I would not mandate firearms in every household, I would only desire for any person (of legal age -- 18, mentally competent and not a violent felon) to posess any firearm they choose, and to be able to go armed (open or concealed) when and where they please. I would want it understood by the public and the courts that an honest person faced with an immediate violent threat has the right to meet force with force in their own defense. I would also want abuse of RKBA to be punished swiftly and severely, because the minority who misuse guns provide excuses for the antis.

I would also like to see firearm safety training as part of the school curriculum; even for kids whose folks don't own guns, there is always the possibility of encountering one. Teaching people the safety rules can harm no one and may save a life.

Finally, I'd like to see every law abiding gun owner able to blow the 10 ring right out of a target with the weapon of their choice.

Dave Scott
Formerly 1st LT, Quartermaster Corps, US Army
 
Vet, 20 years, combat, retired senior officer, and now getting old (currently 54).

I endorse Sam's post.

More important, I am tired of having a spotless behavioral record, holding (for 30+ years) the highest level security clearances, succeeding at very meaningful jobs in and out of the service, and having raised three self-supporting, well-educated and totally law abiding kids -- but not being sufficiently trustworthy to CCW anywhere in the US I believe it is warranted.

This flawed government rationale presumes two highly erroneous things: (a) that the government is better able to ensure my safety than I am and (b) that the government is better able to judge what is a serious potential risk than I am.

I reject both of these premises.


[This message has been edited by RWK (edited September 21, 2000).]
 
This old U.S. Navy vet says repeal all the gun laws except the ones that say the BG's can't have them, and allow CCW anywhere for law-abiding folks.

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If "the people" in the 1st, 4th, 9th & 10th amendments, means "the people", why do some folks think "the people" in the 2nd amendment means "the state"?
 
mk86fcc: As a Navy Vet I under stand the way you may feel about Sailors handling a gun.

But you have to relize that in boot camp we were handed an M1 with about 5 rounds in the gun told the shoot at a target 100yds. That was it, they just wanted you to see a Garand.
We were never intended to to become marksmen, just Sailors.
Now if you want to put up anyother service against the Navy Seals you will loose. :)

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You guys forgot to add another gun to that list: the 50 caliber BMG. :) Of course you'd have to zone off firing ranges to practice shooting that one! Good old Ma Deuce!

THANKS TO ALL YOU VETS WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY!

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
I was fortunate to go to S.F., Cal. and Germany rather than Vietnam. I believe there should be no military service for those under 20 years of age. I can remember a 17 year-old in basic. There were probably others. Also, I don't believe in a standing army. I think all able bodied men over 20 and under 60 should be military (something like reserves).
We should repeal all laws back to the 2nd Amendment. People who misuse guns should have done to them as they tried to do to someone else.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TexasRusty:
I would not be as specific on the weapon(s) as DorGunR. I feel that there are many good choices. [/quote]

I must apologize for sounding specific about any particular battle rifle......Dead and C.R.Sam are also correct to point this out, I was in a rush as I was late for a meeting, yes the M16 and FAL would be excellent battle rifles.
Sorry I was not more clear in my post.

Take care. :)
 
I think that ANY battle rifle is better then none at all :). Didn't one of the forefathers state that they only gun control allowed was that violet criminals didn't have the right but all others did? But then again, it doesn't matter since the guberment has basically killed the Constitution and the BoR's and just are letting us think we still have some Rights.

I think the 1,000 rds is a good number but we should have a reloader with dies of your primary battle weapons and around 5,000 rds of brass, primers, powder and bullets (each) to spare. Heck, what's a better way to spend your R&R :D.

USP45usp
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by USP45usp:

Heck, what's a better way to spend your R&R :D.
USP45usp[/quote]

USP45usp, If I told ya how I spent my R&Rs I would be banned from this forum......no from the internet! :D
 
I flew two tours in Vietnam with the Navy. We flew shipping recon; find the (North Vietnamese or Chinese) infiltrator trawler, get shot at, bug out and call for fire support.

You see, McNamara refused to let us carry weapons, or even pistols in our survival vests to use if we got shot down. He said it would be "too provocative," so we flew out there defenseless. My loathing for that man defies words. I hope he has a long, miserable, alcohol-soaked, illness-filled old age, choked with the knowledge of all he betrayed.

I believe that any lawful person who so wishes should be allowed to carry a weapon for self-defense.
 
Vietnam era vet, U.S. Navy. Repeal national gun control laws to pre-1968 levels. Strike down state gun control laws that are not consistent with the Second Amendment. Licenses for dealers only. Operate a greatly expanded DCM type program where military small arms could be purchased at surplus prices. Finally a national Vermont style carry law.
 
Considering that the VA is ready and willing to tell the ATF that every vet ever admitting to feeling a little blue should be considered mentally unfit to own a gun, every vet should be screaming from a pro-2nd Amendment perspective. Except for Oliver Stone; he's the only certifiable wingnut from Viet Nam...it's the only way I can explain half his movies! :)
 
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