johnwilliamson062
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I was talking to a liberal Democrat about gun control. We had several points of agreement.
1. Gun control would be extremely ineffective at stopping criminals from getting firearms as our borders are porous and criminals get what they need.
2. Most past gun control and proposed gun control was targeted at minorities and the poor, which is not fair.
3. Any effect of gun control in limiting gun crime would still have a minimal impact on violent crime as other weapons would be used.
Another point I don't entirely agree on is that the high rate of violence in the US has to do with cultural problems not inanimate objects. I think it has to do with lack of personal responsibility, which i guess might actually be a cultural problem so they are not mutually exclusive although it might seem so at first. With this acceptance comes acceptance that the underlying problem is what needs to be addressed.
He still supports gun control. OK with break action shotguns, some bolt action rifles, "hunting" guns basically. Thinks any non-"hunting" rifle used for competition, such as CMP, should be stowed securely at ranges or something inaccessible to homeowners. He owns several of the "hunting" type firearm.
I have converted him on EVERY logical argument I know of or he agreed with me to begin with. He is familiar with guns and does not consider them magical tools of evil. he has even considered attending knob creek as a friend has invited him several times although he does not think it will hold his interest.
Where do I go with this now? There is no logical way to convert him.
I am going to pull some of the stories off of pink pistols and second amendment sisters or something and forward that to him by e-mail.
1. Gun control would be extremely ineffective at stopping criminals from getting firearms as our borders are porous and criminals get what they need.
2. Most past gun control and proposed gun control was targeted at minorities and the poor, which is not fair.
3. Any effect of gun control in limiting gun crime would still have a minimal impact on violent crime as other weapons would be used.
Another point I don't entirely agree on is that the high rate of violence in the US has to do with cultural problems not inanimate objects. I think it has to do with lack of personal responsibility, which i guess might actually be a cultural problem so they are not mutually exclusive although it might seem so at first. With this acceptance comes acceptance that the underlying problem is what needs to be addressed.
He still supports gun control. OK with break action shotguns, some bolt action rifles, "hunting" guns basically. Thinks any non-"hunting" rifle used for competition, such as CMP, should be stowed securely at ranges or something inaccessible to homeowners. He owns several of the "hunting" type firearm.
I have converted him on EVERY logical argument I know of or he agreed with me to begin with. He is familiar with guns and does not consider them magical tools of evil. he has even considered attending knob creek as a friend has invited him several times although he does not think it will hold his interest.
Where do I go with this now? There is no logical way to convert him.
I am going to pull some of the stories off of pink pistols and second amendment sisters or something and forward that to him by e-mail.
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