Very first try, complete failure

Short advice

sidescrollin,

Most double action revolvers can be fired single action or double action. Just pull the hammer all the way back and then lower it slowly without touching the trigger. If it stays cocked back, you can fire it single action as well as double action.

So, please tell us what kind of revolver it is, and what berrel length. That will help us with what advice is appropriate for your particular set of circumstances.

For your cross-dominant eye question; which eye do you WANT to be dominant? You can train yourself. Because you have the double image question, you are a good candidate for picking which eye you want to be dominant. If you didn't have the doubling of the image, that would mean your dominant eye is strongly dominant. Since it is only weakly dominant, you can change it with a little bit of effort.

After you have picked the eye you want to be dominant, shoot with both eyes open, but put a piece of translucent paper over the lens of your shooting glasses (onion skin paper or a piece of cheesecloth or the like). You want to blur the image, but not reduce the amount of light coming to your "off" eye. You DO use shooting glasses, right?

With your chosen eye forced to be the only one giving a sight picture you will train your muscle memory and eyes to use that eye for aiming. Eventually you will be able to do away with the "weak" eye-defeating lens cover altogether. If necessary, you can remove the lens cover a little at a time (by using thinner and thinner "blurry paper".

The typical sight picture advice is to focus on the front sight. Let the target and the rear sight go blurry and the front sight ALWAYS in focus when you shoot. It is hard to do and counter-intuitive, but the "classic" right way to aim a handgun and the one I recommend to master first. Another right way to aim a handgun is the "Instinctive" aiming, where you focus on the target and the sights are allowed to blur. Don't get hung up on "right" ways to shoot, there are many. But when you practice one, practice it wholly. If you want to practice another style, reset your mind and practice it wholly. After you master them, you can mix styles as you like. But before you are a master, learn the classic methods.

Good luck, enjoy.

Lost Sheep
 
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Lost sheep,

The Revolver is both, I was firing it single action today because the double action takes a considerable amount of power.

Thanks for your advice on making an eye dominant is gonna be really helpful.Your image in the second post didnt appear, I found a picture though, It looks something like this. Also more info, it holds 9 rounds and has a 2 and 1/2 inch barrel.

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EDIT: Oh now its there and as you can see that is not even close. That thing looks huge.
 
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I really think I need to just work on trigger control because when me and my dad were firing these little aguila target 22s I accidently ended up with the pistol in my Right hand (im left handed) and I completely missed our shed that we were firing at ( a 8 foot wide yellow building 30 yds away)
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WTF? You are left handed and the pistol some how appeared in your right hand? :confused:
 
im amazed you were even hitting the board at 25yd with a 2.5" bbl! lol, especialy with primer only ammo.
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that makes me feel better :p

WTF? You are left handed and the pistol some how appeared in your right hand?
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yeah i know that sounds weird. Me and my dad just got this ammo and we wanted to see if the primer onlys would put out any light at nighttime. So I went out and was shooting my Marlin golden 39 and I think we switched guns and since I was holding it in my left hand I grabbed the pistol in my right and didn't even notice.
 
The drop on the ammo you are using probably accounts for hitting the bottom when aiming for the top. The primer only ammo is meant to be used for close range practice like a basement range. It just doesn't have the ooomp required to get to 25 yards without dropping like a brick, especially when you are only giving it 2.5" of barrel to accelerate in.
 
Not to hijack the thread, and sort of a dumb question... but am I to understand primer only ammo has no powder, just the primer? What kind of velocity does the projectile go with that kind of ammo? I'm assuming it would still be lethal, right? :confused: Is it just for rimfire?
 
The velocity of Colibri is around 500fps, some varieties are a bit less. I don't know what it might be from a 2" barrel.

For centerfire, you can load wax bullets or there are also rubber and plastic bullets. But you need to modify the flash hole of the cases.
 
Primer only cartridges

Darsh said:
Not to hijack the thread, and sort of a dumb question... but am I to understand primer only ammo has no powder, just the primer? What kind of velocity does the projectile go with that kind of ammo? I'm assuming it would still be lethal, right? Is it just for rimfire?
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From Wikipedia said:
.22 CB Cap (Conical Ball Cap) is a variety of .22 caliber rimfire ammunition which has a very small propellant charge (usually no gunpowder, just the primer), resulting in a low muzzle velocity of between 350 and 700 ft/s (110 to 210 m/s).[2] This is similar to the muzzle velocity produced by a low to mid-power .22 pellet gun, however it should be noted that the bullet from a .22 CB cartridge is significantly heavier than a typical airgun pellet and therefore carries more energy. Due to their low power, CB rounds can be trapped by most pellet gun traps. In longer rifle barrels the CB has a seemingly non-existent, very quiet report due to the lack of residual pressure at the muzzle (see Internal ballistics).

The original .22 CB cartridge has the same case as the .22 BB, but there are now low-power .22 rounds sold as .22 CB Short and .22 CB Long which come in the more common .22 rimfire cartridge cases. The longer cases will allow the rounds to be fired in magazine fed firearms, in which the tiny CB Cap cases would jam. So while having the same length, the modern .22 CB Short and the .22 Short are two different cartridges. The CB has a reduced powder load and is kept (as mentioned above) between 350 and 700 ft/s, while the Short with an increased powder amount launches the same 29gr bullet around and above 1000 ft/s.
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In my experience, and that of others, a primer-only centerfire cartridge will deliver just enough power to drive the bullet out of the case and partway down the barrel, leaving the barrel obstructed. If the next shot is a fully loaded cartridge, a catastrophic failure of the gun is possible, even likely.

In other words, don't try to load bullets with no powder in any centerfire gun. I did that once and lodged a bullet halfway in the barrel and half in the cylinder. Fortunately it was a Dan Wesson and the fix was easy. Do a search for "wax bullets" or "Speer Plastic Bullets" for other options. Lots of practice ammo is loaded with primers only, but the bullets are plastic, wax or some other lightweight material.

Lost Sheep
 
I could try to wtite a book here about shooting a handgun,but that has been done.

Shooting in general,rifles,too

A natural,balanced position,don't tilt your inner ears,where balance and equilibrium are controlled

A natural point of aim.Look at your target,close your eyes,point at the target,open your eyes.You should have your sights aligned,pointing at the target.Make small adjustments.

Focus on sight alignment.If I could identify three legs of the stool,sight alignment,trigger control,follow through,are the first three things I would concentrate on. The math,your sight radius,(say 6 in) divided into 50 ft(600 in),gives a multiplier of 100.That means any error in sighting will be amplified by distance 100 times.1/32 in of sight error will be 3.2 in of error on the target.Don't worry if you see your hand move around on the bullseye,keep the sights aligned in a perfect sight picture.

Add pressure to the trigger when you are close to center,moving closer.Stop pressing as you wander off.

Focus hard enough on the sights that you have a picture in your mind of what you saw as the gun recoiled.

That is follow through,calling the shot.

Three things is enough to focus on.Try that.
 
My story

sidescrollin said:
The Revolver is both, I was firing it single action today because the double action takes a considerable amount of power.

Thanks for your advice on making an eye dominant is gonna be really helpful.Your image in the second post didnt appear, I found a picture though, It looks something like this. Also more info, it holds 9 rounds and has a 2 and 1/2 inch barrel.
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The revolvers appear to my eye to be the same frame, but the one I found has "target" sights, a longer barrel, slightly different trigger guard and a larger grip/handle, otherwise the same size (mainly the frame)

The short sight radius (distance between the front and rear sights) and less prominent sights make precision target shooting at 25 yards difficult. This is not to say a short barrel is inherently inaccurate. The short barrel is a small impediment; the geometry of the sights are the limitation. Exercise more care with your sight picture and your results will improve.

Now, about the eye dominance.

My experience with being a "goofy eye" (taking the name from what they call a left-footed surfer)

My mother is left-handed. She even bowls left-handed.

I shoot a bow right-handed because my right arm is stronger; I wield a sabre right-handed, but a foil left-handed. I shoot a rifle left-handed becase I am left eye dominant, but shoot a handgun right-handed because my right hand and arm are stronger. I write left-handed. I play guitar right-handed.

I am working on getting my right eye to work with my right gun hand when shooting right-handed and my left eye to work with my left hand when shooting left-handed.

I've got a lot of work to do sorting this all out.

I hope my advice does not lead you astray. You may take or reject what appears to be fit your own situation, Wwthout concern of hurting my feelings, as you can see my situation is highly confused. So, my suggestions of solutions should be applied in principal rather than in detail.

Lost Sheep
 
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Welcome, Side:
Is it just a matter of practice then??
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Well....yeah....and knowing what you are doing to cause the misses. Asking at a forum like this one is a good idea and usually a source of some good advice.
The links to Bullseye and to the USAMU are very worthwhile.
That little gun is cute but the short sight radius makes it harder to shoot accurately than a longer barreled gun, especially at something like 25 yards.
The first time that I ever fired a handgun - many years ago now - I shot at a target that was, maybe, six feet away. Pointed the gun, pulled the trigger. There was no hole when I looked. Did that six times. Missed the target and the backer on every one.
Trigger control. All sorts of things happen in the shooting hand when you start to pull/squeeze the trigger.
Pete
 
If youre really serious about becoming a better marksman, I'd suggest buying a decent air pistol and practicing daily.

A Daisy 717 is incredibly accurate considering it's price, and the money you'll save buying .177 pellets vs. real ammo will allow you to shoot much more often.

The 717 is quiet and pretty low powered, so a basement, garage, or "parlor"
(I always like the term "parlor gun") shooting range is possible. Airguns cut out the travel, noise, and public distractions of most real firearm shooting, and allow you to concentrate on the real fundamentals. Front sight..
..presssss.
 
"Primer only ammo". Those are CB caps. Buy some ".22 long rifle" ammo and go to where you can shoot, not in your "back yard". CB caps have no practical use. Practicing with them is pointless. Your gun will not shoot to the point of aim with them at 25 yards.
 
But the .22 can be fired in my yard
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I'm gonna be the bad guy here and ask if you have any close neighbors.

Not too long ago a guy in TX was plinking in his backyard and accidentally shot a little too high. It struck a kid jumping on a trampoline at least 1500' away, killing him.

Central Texas Man Sentenced In Accidental Shooting --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A | A | A (July 4, 2008)--A Central Texas man who pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the accidental shooting death of a 7-year-old neighbor who was jumping on a trampoline has been sentenced to eight years in prison.

Jose Barrera Espitia told investigators he was target shooting in the backyard of his rural Hays County home in April 2007 when he accidentally shot and killed the boy.


Espitia said he did not see Daniel Galicia jumping on the trampoline in his backyard before firing the .22-caliber rifle.

Galicia died within an hour of being shot.

Espitia's home is about a third of a mile from where the boy was playing with other children in his cousin's backyard.

The area east of Kyle has a mix of farmland and mobile homes.

The Galicia family had asked for a tougher sentence for Espitia.

Manslaughter carries a maximum state prison sentence of 20 years
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Originally Posted by Wuchak
The drop on the ammo you are using probably accounts for hitting the bottom when aiming for the top. The primer only ammo is meant to be used for close range practice like a basement range. It just doesn't have the ooomp required to get to 25 yards without dropping like a brick, especially when you are only giving it 2.5" of barrel to accelerate in.
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I don't think so, it shoots dead on with my rifle at that distance and like i said I did hit what I was aiming for ONE time.

Originally posted by Darsh
Not to hijack the thread, and sort of a dumb question... but am I to understand primer only ammo has no powder, just the primer? What kind of velocity does the projectile go with that kind of ammo? I'm assuming it would still be lethal, right? Is it just for rimfire?
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Im not sure of the exact FPS but it is fairly low.There is a distinct sound after the round is fired and it seems to fire about the same FPS are 2-3 pumps on my pellet gun.
Its no more lethal than .22 pellet gun but any gun can be lethal no matter what the round is.

Originally posted by Slopemeno
If youre really serious about becoming a better marksman, I'd suggest buying a decent air pistol and practicing daily.

A Daisy 717 is incredibly accurate considering it's price, and the money you'll save buying .177 pellets vs. real ammo will allow you to shoot much more often.

The 717 is quiet and pretty low powered, so a basement, garage, or "parlor"
(I always like the term "parlor gun") shooting range is possible. Airguns cut out the travel, noise, and public distractions of most real firearm shooting, and allow you to concentrate on the real fundamentals. Front sight..
..presssss.
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I was thinking about doing that or getting an airsoft pistol because ammo is so cheap

Originally posted by Dahermit
"Primer only ammo". Those are CB caps. Buy some ".22 long rifle" ammo and go to where you can shoot, not in your "back yard". CB caps have no practical use. Practicing with them is pointless. Your gun will not shoot to the point of aim with them at 25 yards.
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Thats not really true, they fire dead on in my levelaction and..well I dunno because I suck with the pistol lol.
There is nowhere to fire normal rounds here, I COULD fire them in my yard but they are a little too loud and not worth the risk.

Originally posted by Chris in Va
I'm gonna be the bad guy here and ask if you have any close neighbors.

Not too long ago a guy in TX was plinking in his backyard and accidentally shot a little too high. It struck a kid jumping on a trampoline at least 1500' away, killing him.
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no,no don't worry about it. I live on 2 acres and On two roads there are 3 neighbors on to the left of my property. In the direction I am shooting in there is a small mound with a stump in front of it which has the target on it, then about 1/2 ace of woods, then a road and another 3 acres of woods. I understand your concern but I try be as safe as possible, which is why I am only firing .22s and the particular rounds. My neighbor does shoot iquanas with a 22 though.
There is no way I would ever fire a .45,3030, .303, 7.62, .44 .36, .54. 9mm or any of our other guns,etc here.

Lost sheep and HiBC thanks for the advice. that was a little confusing Loost sheep but I know what you mean, I do alotta things with different hands also, but Im going to try and use the side that is the same side I am shooting with like you said.
 
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