Very dreary and possibly unsettling thread

A couple of suggestions...

Insist that your employees possess an Oregon CCW. Not only does it make them able to legally carry, but it provides an extra background check!

I wouldn't post the establishment. That's a "Please Rob Me" sign. The only people it will stop are the folks who pay attention to the laws.

You say martini bar - assuming it's upscale? You won't have to worry much about your customers. Are you figuring on a gay, straight, or mixed clientele? Jazz or dance?

Will it _need_ a bouncer? Or more of a psychiatrist? Alternative relationship therapist? How much capacity?

The joint I used to work in had a 12 gauge right under the cash drawer. College bar, everything from jocks to the art students... They did some serious money. If a fight started, the bouncers went to break it up, and the head bartender went to the cash drawer and stood there ready if it was a diversion...

Some of the best bartenders: Teachers, cops, just about anyone who deals with public in their day job...

Make sure you stock at least a couple of good whiskies, including at least one good bourbon. The world is not about raw distilled grain or potato spirits...
 
Too bad that the uniform security companies in your area blow.
Another option is to have an off duty UNIFORMED police officer in your lot or at the front door. Cost a little more than a SG but if it is that much of a concern, probably worth the expense.

Another bonus to off duty LEOs is on duty LEOs will swing by to shoot the breeze .
 
I have to agree that uniformed security officers are practically useless. Besides, they cost money. I would not give everyone access to the safe though since only managers should have the combo anyways.

You have to remember that many crimes are inside jobs. The employee you are counting on to "defend" himself/herself may actually rob you with the gun you provided. Either that, or they may simply remove it and have someone else come in and do the dirty work.

Despite the fact that I am pro-gun and have a carry permit, I do not idea of having all of my staff armed. Passing a background check may just mean that they have not been caught yet. I know it would be crazy to rob a business where everyone carried, but the most opportune time is near closing when there are just a few people. If I have my gun drawn and come up behind you, you have little to no chance to clear leather and shoot me before you get one in the back. Besides, what kinds of uniforms are you going to gives the hot cocktail waitresses? If they can conceal a gun, they aren't showing enough skin! :eek: (just kidding)

I think the best situation is having the managers armed and to not leave a gun in the safe. Besides, if the bad guy forces someone to open the safe at gun point, they will probably shoot the employee when he sees the gun. How fast can an employee draw and shoot?

Now maybe if you had a button in the safe that pulled the trigger of a shotgun that was at body level (the sfe should be mounted low so the employee is squatting, that might work. I see a huge liability issue though if an accidental discharge ever occured though.

You really need to think this through. I'd say managers and supervisors only after a thorough background check and firearms training class. Don't make that fact known to regular employees since an inside job will mean the managers get shot first. Good luck and I hope it works out.
 
How to respond to an attack is not a simple yes and no answer. Sometimes it is better to do what they say, sometimes it is better to resist any way you can.
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Someone has the drop on you, you are virtually guaranteed to get shot if you try to resist.

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Someone has the drop on you, you are virtually guaranteed to get shot if you try to resist.
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That is not the point. The point is that every situation is different and that the BG may have every intention of killing you once they have what they want, so resisting may be your best bet. Blanket statements for situations like this simply do not work.

If the BG is across the room and holding his gun sideways above his head it may be a relativly good bet to draw your gun before he can get closer. If he has the gun against your head, drawing your gun would be a bad idea. Every situation calls for a different reaction.
 
Please, please, please don't turn this thread into a discussion on Rambo-esque resistance techniques. :)

I always find it funny how people will cover every aspect of a situation except the actual question asked. :)

I think I came up with a good plan today. Our lawyer is going to run over it and put it through few tests.

We will not be able to allow employees to carry pvt. weapons while on the job for liability reasons. Their uniforms would really not allow for it anyway. In fact we are having to write into our employee guidlines that carrying a firearm on duty is a punishable offense. Meaning I will probably dock them an hours pay for failing the "concealed" part of concealed carry.

I am going to provide seven electronic safes in the back office for employees. If they have a carry weapon they can place them in the safes during their shift. That way if the situation arose that they were placed into the back room during a robbery they would have defensive weapons if the intruders returned to the room to do them harm (which has been a common scenerio here in PDX in the past).

I am still going to encourage all employees to attend firearms saftey courses and I might select one or two employees to get the proper licensing to carry as an armed guard. They would be paid a couple extra bucks an hour to carry while working. Only one per shift. This may not be possible though. All kinds of rules to adhere to when receiving a liquor license.

Would be nice if I could find a way to give the employees a bonus of a gift certificate to my local dealer to buy a small revolver once they completed gun safety courses and received their CCW without becoming somehow liable for their actions.
 
As a further thought, it might be easier if you would put "Panic Buttons" in various places that might be used to hold employees while BG are doing their thing.

Casual observation leads to thought that most business people only put "panic buttons" in one or two places, to save money. If a keyed entry panel is used and every employee has own password/number then you cut down on spurious alarms, you can tell who initiated.

Definitely make known that all video surveillance is copied off premises at all times. Again, may not stop'em but should slow most down. Please note that if you have any kind of entertainment video screens you will probably have a cable hookup so broadband makes great sense.

As for making firearms available to employees, I would probably be against it. So much depends on situation, who, what, when, where, and why and it is impossible to resolve a decent solution with that many variables.

Remember that you really can't defend against the true crazy who walks thru the door and lights up the place. You can however increase the odds that yours will be the last place that the crazy does it at.

Your intention is that you want to stop the common variety of "Curbstone Socialist" from using your place as a convienent stopover.
 
You might consider having a way to allow any employee put into the back room to barricade themselves and not allow the badguys back in. A commercial 'Panic Room"
 
My old boss use to have very reduced rates for police on and off duty.

They will soon make it a hang out and you have free security.

No one robs a business that police and other law officials hang out in.
 
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