Vertical Grip

Ruger Dude said:

"You can use deadly force when you are in reasonable fear for you life, not after when the punk is running away. How are you going to explain to the court that you were right, when the BG has a bullet in the BACK of his head and witnesses saw you put it there? (Hint, they aren't going to buy your "that's how I roll" ...... "stuff" for lack of a non-expletive)

I'm not saying that the dude doesn't deserve it, but rather that if you did do such a thing, you are VERY likely to be in BIG trouble.

If a BG robs me and runs, i'll let him go. Why? Because my stuff that he just stole isn't worth me going to jail."


I may have been a little overzealous in my statements, but the fact remains that once he has a firearm pulled, the first chance I get I am going to terminate him. The next guy might not be so lucky. If I shot him in the back of the head, maybe it would be prudent to roll him over and shoot him in the front of the head also (I realize forensics would probably figure out what happened).

The idea that in our soceity someone can physically assault you with a firearm in their possession (such as in a typical mugging) and you can't shoot to kill even after he runs away is ridiculous. I figure all I have to say is "He heard something ... told me to stay where I was and he was gonna come back and kill me like the punk #$%@ that I am, and I figured here is a guy already pointing a gun at me, who robbed me, who is commanding me to stay where I am so he can return shortly and execute me. So, I shot him".

What DA really wants to put ME in jail given such an obvious circumstance and at least a decently believable story. "The guy was psycho, I was so scared. He told me if I moved he would kill me. And he told me when he was coming back he would kill me too. What was I to do!?!?"

I am not some idiot who doesn't realize the consequences of death. I don't think it's cool to go around shooting people and that it's worth killing someone over some material possesions. But ONCE YOU PULL THAT LOADED GUN AND POINT IT AT ME all bets are off b----. I think there are quite a few other successful, law abiding citizens who feel the same way.

- Casey
 
Well, if the impact I have is that "gun owners generally take the time to learn how to operate their guns through training, practice, and research and they will not hesitate for a moment to put a slug in your ass if you unduly and immoraly threaten someone with your gun" then I will be happy.

Does anyone else ever watch horror movies where the bad guy runs around with a knife or a hacksaw and think, "Why are they so scared? All they need to do is go to the gunstore right now and pick up a nice cary 9mm and when the psycho killer BG comes at them for the next midnight attack with his knife/axe/chainsaw all the half naked girl getting wet from the sprinklers has to do is pull out the gun from her thigh holster and shoot the guy with 147 grain hollow points and watch him die" .... or is it just me?

If more responsible, intelligent, and willing people would carry guns then criminals would have a much tougher time. It is completely backwards that in our society the (generally) less educated violent criminals have more (physical) power then the educated law abiding citizens. If just 25% of the population carried regularly can you imagine what a criminal would think? "Oh crap, 1 out of 4 of these people is gonna be armed, and 1 out of 4 of the people surrounding me might just haul off and shoot me in the back while I"m robbing this old lady".

I know that I sleep with a loaded 9 mm within arms reach of my bed and the shotgun is concealed, loaded, and I can get to it from a dead sleep within 10 seconds. There is also a 45 hidden in another part of the house in case I am not in my bedroom and need to get to my gun quickly.

The point of all this? If more gun owners gave the impression of supreme competance and a willingness to kill when you pull out your gun and threaten them, people would be robbed LESS. Even an idiot BG knows $50.00 isn't worth dying over. As for me and my house? They can have my TV when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. You break in, I am shooting first and asking questions later. If that leaves a bad impression with people on this forum too damn bad. Don't burglarize my home and you won't have anything to worry about.
 
Funny thing guys. I found out I'm actually a few thousandth's FASTER with the vertical fore grip.

Maybe the grip helps me use leverage to lessen the muzzle climb. Or maybe I can work the pump faster. Or both. Or neither. I just know I'm slightly faster vs the standard forarm.
 
would it be out of line to suggest adding a cup holder onto the end of a HD shotgun? lol..that way you got a place for your coffee. I think optics are useless for this purpose. I got a large hiviz red beed on the end of mine. But might upgrade to some triljicon or similar glow in the dark large ghost rings. You want something simple and hassle free. Im all for home defense..but so many loaded weapons? What about kids? Dunno..I would think the majority of the time..stored firearms should be unloaded...and the ammo kept hidden or seperate...Ive noticed theres lots of seriously good advice on this forum..then on occasion theres some hollywood movie fans living in a world of fear? hmm.
 
An unloaded gun is a stick. What good do they do if not loaded?

My son is six and I've already started him shooting. He doesn't bother a gun unless he asks to see it first.

With that said, my shotgun and a .45ACP do stay loaded, but in the gun safe. I have double deadbolt doors and an Australian Shepard. Both SHOULD make enough noise to awaken me or my wife if anyone should try to enter illegally. However, I DO NOT feel that the time to load my weapon is when someone might be trying to break down my door. :D

As for the optics, mine isn't strictly HD. It rides to work and back in my Jeep, and I use it occasionally in matches. Plus, it is a see-through mount and I have a hi-viz bead on the barrel.
 
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