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I am still fairly new to shotguns, but as this is my primary home defense weapon I am going all out. Here is a list of mods before I ask my question:

Remington 870 Express Magnum
18" Vang Comp Ported/Back Bored Barell
7 shell mag tube extension (as in 7 total shells)
Tac Star 6 shell Side Saddle
Cavalry Arms Ar15 Adapter
Magpull Adjustable Buttstock
Ergo Tactical Pistol Grip
EO Tech 552 Sight


That being said, I need a new forend. I am going to integrate a tactical light and I will definitely be using surefire for the light. The question is, do I want a vertical grip or a regular grip on the forend? If I get the regular grip then it's easy, I am getting surefires integrated forend with the light built into it. Simple easy. But, having never so much as held a shotgun with the vertical/pistol grip I do not know what the advantages are for shooting and in a tactical situation? The purpose of this gun is to function as my primary home defense weapon in case some bastards come into my home and attempt to hurt myself or my family or steal anything. I have a 9mm Springfield XD 9 and an HK 45 as backup. I fully intend on taking tactical shotgun courses.

Thanks for the help guys!
 
I bought the Wilson Combat 870 forearm. It has the three rails, and rubber covers for the rails, $88.95. I put a TAC-STAR light on mine, simply because I had it. There are better tac-lights to be had. Mine has the Choate MK6 stock, Leupold mount with BSA Red Dot, 4-shot Sidesaddle. I stuck the vertical grip on, simply because I had an extra one laying around. I can reach the light pad with my left index finger either with the vertical grip, or with the standard grip I can use my left thumb. Gun is an 870HD w/Rem extension.
 

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Just how much ammo have you put through this?.....
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If you are asking me, about 200 rounds (mostly buck). But I got the Wilson Pump for my birthday in July and have only fired about 20-25 rounds since it has been installed.

Why?
 
I don't think the vertical grip will give you any more, or any less advantage than any other of the ninja stuff you have on your shotgun. The extra mag capacity might be needed if a gang of BGs storm your abode, but what are the odds of that happening?

smince
You would be highly proficient with your shotgun if you spent most of your money on ammo instead of on all the bells and whistles which don't make the gun any more effective.
 
And for some reason you automatically assume I don't have any ammo fired through it or that I am not learning to use it? What is the harm in adding a superior barell, a better sight, the option to use a flashlight in night conditions, a better buttstock, and a side saddle?

I fail to see why that is all "ninja" stuff? I have the money to spend on making the gun all it can be as well as the money to spend on ammo and tactical courses to become more proficient with the gun.

So, being an ass and making assumptions doesn't really help. I am sorry if you feel that my gun is " super kung fu ninja" but you sound like a child who DOESN'T have anything helpful to add but still insists on opening their mouth.

I made it clear in my first post that I WILL be taking tactical courses in order to become proficient with the weapon JUST so I could avoid hearing pompous comments like yours. Since I am more than happy to admit I do lack some of the tactical experience with shotguns that others may not, I am only looking to gain their opinion in order to help fascilitate my own choices. In Ca, a shotgun is about the best home defense weapon you are going to have and why take chances? I will do everything I can for myself and for my weapon to gain the tactical advantage as I know that every small advtantage I can gain is worthwhile, or did you never learn that in your combat doctrine?

So, if anyone else has something RELEVANT to add to THE QUESTION I ASKED I would appreciate it. In case I wasn't clear enough, I have fired the gun and as soon as I figure out which way to go with the forend, I will start my training courses with the gun (so that I am learning on the same gun in the same configuration I plan to use).

Thank you.
 
Also, in response to your comment of "Unless a group of BG's storm your home, and how likely is that?"

Here are some statistics further demonstrating your lack of knowledge on the subject matter.


To quote:

" Of all violent crimes, robbery is the most likely to be committed by more than one offender. About 50% of all robberies involve co-offenders. About 8% of robberies involve groups of four or more offenders. 91% of robbers are male, 64% are under the age of 25, and 59% are African-Americans. Robbers typically attack their victims on streets or sidewalks (55%), near the victim's home (24%) in a variant called "home invasion robbery", or at a commercial establishment such as parking lots or garages (21%). Victims are typically robbed while shopping or traveling within five miles of their home."

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/300/300lect06.htm

So there's about a 1 in 4 chance that if I am robbed, it will be two or more suspects inside of my home. The reason I am going through all of the BS to get a CCW in CA is because the rest of the stats lead me to believe that if it is going to happen, it is going to happen near my home. If I am packing, that is sure going to help my odds and even if I just let him rob me and don't pull out my own firearm, I have the OPTION to do so. So if the idiot turns and runs away from me with my stuff, he's catching a bullet in the back of the head, self defense law be damned.

Thus, based on the stats, it would make sense to have a CCW and a reliable home defense weapon such as a shotgun with prudent upgrades, such as those I have described.
 
smince You would be highly proficient with your shotgun if you spent most of your money on ammo instead of on all the bells and whistles which don't make the gun any more effective.
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That's funny, since you have no idea of my proficiency with this or any other weapon. :rolleyes: Let me know how you really feel, O.K?

This isn't my first shotgun. I've been shooting them since I was 8. And I've a few 'courses' under my belt. I just haven't had time to wring this one out due to working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week.

Really, I haven't made up my mind whether to keep the vert grip or not. But, isn't America great. I own these things because I can. And if I find them to be less than ideal, I can remove them and sell them. Maybe advise others what I've found works and what doesn't.

Sure it probably can't do the job any better than an 870 Express, but then again, it might. Where is the fun in owning plain guns? I could drive to work in a Neon or Escort but my Cherokee is so much more fun.

As far as money, I have FAR LESS in this set-up than say a Wilson or Vang or an over-under for that matter.
 
Boy, it's fun to see people get their undies in a bunch over some lighthearted comments.

If you want to tacticalize your shotgun to the max, go ahead, more power to you. I think some people on this board are just making sure that you know that proficiency is better than accesories (yeah, guess what? There are people who don't know that)

Oh and I love the comment about the BG catching a bullet in the back of his head if he takes your stuff (read: MATERIAL POSSESIONS) and runs.......good luck with that, or rather, not going to prison for that. Gunowners have a bad enough image already, we don't need people saying things like "I'm gonna kill a man over my stuff."

Do you have any idea how that makes you look? "Self defense law be damned" hmmmm law be damned huh, well, with that logic in mind, let me go rob somebody, rape somebody, or hell, like you described, kill somebody. :barf:

law be damned. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know how it is where you come from, but I am not about to stand for someone pointing a gun in my face, threatening me with DEATH, robbing me, and getting away with it. You point a gun at me and say you will use it, then you have no right to complain when your head explodes. Once you've crossed that line and threatened to kill me while pointing a lethal weapon at me I have every right to terminate your ass the second it becomes a viable option. If the law says otherwise, then it is an incorrect judicial posit. I'm not gonna let him take 5 steps and change his mind about having a witness left alive.

Sorry, but that's just the way I roll.
 
BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND:

I would not go for a vertical grip. It is just one more thing on the front for something to snag on. I tend to keep all of my accessories (Surefire X200 light, shell carrier) on the reciever. Extra weight on towards the front makes aiming difficult, plus harder to bring up the weapon quickly and accurately.
 
Man, what's wrong with an 870HD with a Surefire forend? How likely are you to need 13-14 rounds to defend yourself from 2 men in your home?
 
You can use deadly force when you are in reasonable fear for you life, not after when the punk is running away. How are you going to explain to the court that you were right, when the BG has a bullet in the BACK of his head and witnesses saw you put it there? (Hint, they aren't going to buy your "that's how I roll" ...... "stuff" for lack of a non-expletive)

I'm not saying that the dude doesn't deserve it, but rather that if you did do such a thing, you are VERY likely to be in BIG trouble.

If a BG robs me and runs, i'll let him go. Why? Because my stuff that he just stole isn't worth me going to jail.

(sorry for being off topic, i'll now contribute what I can)

I don't think that a vertical foregrip is going to give you a huge advantage, if you want to try it, go ahead, i'm sure some people like em' and others not so much.
 
VFGs usually feel awkward to the wrist when used on a pump-action gun. I'd go with the Surefire forend unless you plan to devote a lot of time to practicing with the VFG, i.e. learning how to control the fingers on the pressure pad while pumping. Also, the EOTech 552 is a 512 with night-vision settings. If you don't have a weapon sight-compatible NVG (such as the PVS-14 monocular), you should get the 512 and save yourself about 70 bucks. You may want to contact EOTech to see if the sight will hold up to prolonged shotgun recoil. Most electronic shotgun sights are designed to stand up to 12 ga. recoil. Most other electronic sights aren't.
 
IZInterrogator said:

"VFGs usually feel awkward to the wrist when used on a pump-action gun. I'd go with the Surefire forend unless you plan to devote a lot of time to practicing with the VFG, i.e. learning how to control the fingers on the pressure pad while pumping. Also, the EOTech 552 is a 512 with night-vision settings. If you don't have a weapon sight-compatible NVG (such as the PVS-14 monocular), you should get the 512 and save yourself about 70 bucks. You may want to contact EOTech to see if the sight will hold up to prolonged shotgun recoil. Most electronic shotgun sights are designed to stand up to 12 ga. recoil. Most other electronic sights aren't."


Based on the responces that I am getting, I think I am going to go with the regular surefire forend. The 9 volt will do 120 lumens for an hour. That seems reasonable.

As far as the EO Tech sight goes, based on the experience and research that I did with it, it can handle the recold. I got the 552 because they accidentally shipped it to me instead of a 512. When I told them about it they said it was my lucky day and just to keep it and avoid the hassel. So I said ... "K" ... and just went with it. I figured it wouldn't hurt and if CA every changes some of its laws I can pull it off the shotgun and mount it to another rail where NV might be more appropriate. So why not?
 
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