versitility 44mag vs 45lc

[seb5]

The 10mm is definitely not in the same class but the point Hal was making is still valid. They are very capable of doing what he is asking. I would point out that the 10mm is closer to the .357 but after hunting with one loaded hot for several years it is closer in effect on game to the .41 than the .357.

 

[fisherman66]

I have a 357 that could cover the 10mm base. I will not hunt or even defend myself in the wild with an auto, just a personal choice and not intended to flame or create controversy.

I have seen "Ruger Only" ammo. I made no assertation as to +P+ being tied to Ruger. (Just to be clear).

Thank you for clearing up my perception of SAAMI.

Balancing needs and wants is a fine art. I want both a 44mag and a 454c. I need neither at this moment.

 

[Majic]

I have a 357 that could cover the 10mm base. I will not hunt or even defend myself in the wild with an auto

There is the 6.5" M610 which is a N-frame revolver chambered in 10mm. It is probably the strongest platform for hotrodding the 10mm.

 

[dairycreek]

Are SAAMI pressure rules only for factory made ammo? Do companies like Buffalo Bore adhear to those rules for +P+ and Ruger only ammo

WESHOOT2's answer is to the point and correct. The reputable ammo manufactures, e.g. Garrett, Buffalo Bore, and Corbon (there are others too) only produce and sell ammo that meets SAAMI specs. Garrett even goes so far as to tell you which guns are safe to use.

Fisherman66

I think I'll get into reloading before making another centerfire purchase.

I think you are absolutely correct. There are a lot of different ammo combinations out there now (500 mag, 460, 475 Linebaugh, etc) and they are all doggone expensive Reloading not only allows for better ammo for your particular gun but also reduces costs to manageable levels. Good luck

 

[Hal]

10mmm is in the same class as .44mag How’s that?

Same basic class Luger ,,,not same class..
That basic class would be .4X caliber capable of dealing with hog or pig sized animals.
Buf. Bore has a new pair of 10mm loads:
200 gr @ 1200 fps
180 gr @ 1350 fps
That stacks up well against a lot of the offerings for the .45 Colt and is in the same neighborhood as factory 240 gr .44Mag loads @ 1180 fps.


The man has spoken though, he wants a .4-something bigger than 0.

My vote is of course, for the .44 Remington Magnum. My favorite all around cartridge. By coincidence I was admiring a Smith and Wesson model 329PD just this very afternoon. The price was a fairly attractive $689.00.
I may have a new addition soon myself,,,

BTW - they had one of the new/blue Smith .41 Mags also - for $659.00 < - very tempting...

 

[gmatov]

Hal,

I like 44 mag, myself, other than BP.

Only post to ask how many of the 10 types of people asked who the other 8 are?

Cheers,

George

 

[Hal]

who the other 8 are

George,
Could be- A,B,C,D,E,F, (h)

Seriously though 10 is base 2 for 2.(binary)
I stole the idea for the sig from a coworker that used it during a meeting @ work one day to point out how things aren't always what they seem on the surface;pay attention to the details;don't jump to the conclusion everyone else is "on the same page" as you are.

 

[tinker2]

I have and shoot both, either one you will like. In the state that I live in
you can NOT hunt big game with the 45LC you can with the 44 Mag.
You said that you might hunt with it, check the laws in your state.
If you don’t reload, in a .44 Mag you can shoot .44 Special.

 

[fisherman66]

OK, here is what I've learned.

There is not a very large practical difference between 44mag and 45lc for the reloader.

The 44mag probably has a edge for a non-reloader.

The 454cas has an edge on both for a price (particularly in ammo cost and possibly gun weight.)

Same applies for 460 ect.

Some states make laws in regards to handgun caliber with absolutly no knowledge foundation (Ok, I already knew about this ignorant beurocracy.)

My plan; I would be satisfied with a well make gun in either caliber at the right price. I need to start reloading and one day have both.

 

[IM_Lugger]

Hal, your point is taken, but 240gr @1180fps is really a mild .44mag load, and that 10mm is one of the hottest 10mm around. You can push .44 180gr bullet to 1900fps or 200gr bullet to 1800fps which would make .44mag twice as powerful as 10mm...

 

[WESHOOT2]

I think there's a HUGE difference when 'handloaded'

44 Magnum = 320g @ 1300fps

45 Colt = 395g 1150fps / 360g @ 1300fps / 335g @ 1400fps

Just doesn't matter if your targets are smaller than a grizzly, polar bear, or really pissed off moose.

 

[Hal]

Lugger,
True - A 240 gr @ 1180 fps is mild compared to what the .44 Rem Mag is supposed to have been,,, as worked up by Elmer.

That's exactly what Remington, Winchester and Federal all load their 240's @ these days though, which is why I used that figure.

True - The .44 Rem Mag can go places velocity-wise, where the 10mm can't hope to venture.

What's also true is that without actully looking up the figures, a factory ammo only buyer (like the original poster), buying stock 240 gr .44's (the defacto - standard for the .44), is often buying a load that stacks up very well to an off the shelf 10mm.

 

[IM_Lugger]

I don’t think every 10mm ammo is in the 700+ft-lbs range, most Win, Fed, Rem ammo will be 500-650ft-lbs still not the same as 44mag (750-1050ft-lbs)

 

[fisherman66]

I stand corrected WESHOOT.

Seems that much difference puts me back in the 45lc camp.

 

[John Limbach]

WESHOOT:

You forgot Garrett:

.44mag 330gr @ 1,400 fps

 

[progunner1957]

Both .454 and .44 are winners!

If you do decide to take up reloading then you can go one step further and get a .454. You will have more power than the 2 mentioned cartridges plus the ability to shoot the .45 Colt also.

+1.

The Ruger Super Redhawk in a 7.5" barrel would be a great choice. It is probably the strongest revolver being made at present and will fire .454 as well as .45 Colt ammo.

CorBon makes some good loadings in .45 Colt - my wife's "home alone" gun is a S&W mountain gun in .45 Colt, loaded with CorBon 200g. HPs. That would be a good all-around load for everything but bears, IMO.

When you look at bullet weights and velocities, the .454 revolver that will also shoot .45 Colt is a very similar setup to the .44 magnum revolver that will also shoot .44 Special. Either will get the job done, but if you are seriously into hunting, the .454 wins.

OTOH, the .44 Magnum/.44 Special may be more versatile as far as hand loading; it has been around for 50 years, and has had a ton of loads worked up for it.

Get one of each, a 7.5" Super Redhawk in .454 and a 4" S&W model 29 in .44 mag - just to be sure...

 

[John Limbach]

"Get one of each, a 7.5" Super Redhawk in .454 and a 4" S&W model 29 in .44 mag - just to be sure..."


Or, you could get the S&W 460XVR (8 3/8" barrel) which shoots .460, .454, and .45 Colt. I see that they've just brought out a 3 1/2" version(!??!) and a performance center 6 1/2" Hunter.

Too many choices, too little $$$$$$

 

[WESHOOT2]

butbutbut

I didn't forget Garrett (great ammo, BTW).

But don't use Garrett in anything but those listed, 'cause it WILL unscrew the barrel of your (now unpinned) M629.

 

[mjolnir]

Do keep in mind that 45LC cases in a DA revolver can easily slip past the extractor star, due to the very tiny rim...not a consideration for casual range shooting, but something to consider on a field gun.

S&W 25, S&W 625, Colt Anaconda, Ruger Redhawk.

The above stages have all hosted the villain, usually played by O. Winchester, in "To Pass a Rising Star."