Verbal assault by anti-gunner!

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Noban

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I'm active in collecting signatures for a ballot measure to amend the 2nd amendment of California's constitution (VetoTheGovernor.org for info). Obviously I get great support at gun ranges, gun stores and gun shows. It can get a little dicey when I solicit signatures at common venues, such as coffee shops and grocery stores. A few days ago, I was collecting signatures in front of Border's Books in downtown Santa Barbara when a fellow approached me and shouted, "I wish someone would shoot you in your f*&^ing head for what you are trying to do!" I couldn't believe it. The guy next to me collecting signatures for a school bond issue jumped out of his shoes. The guy went on (loudly, looking for an audience) that it's people like me an the NRO (sic) that cause the violence and that we should all be victims of our own guns.

He then flipped me off and walked away, mumbling. Obviously has a few birds on his antenna. The school bond guy and I then just started laughing, as did a bunch of coffee sippers who heard the whole thing. It was good PR for me, as three guys from the "audience" signed my petition.

What a day!
 
WTF *is* it with those freaks? Are they trying to achieve martyrdom?

Yes, yes, we here know that we're not gonna up and shoot some fool just because he annoys us, but that's what *they* think we'll do. Given that mindset, what else can be their goal?
 
Some people just don't get it...

I was talking to a guy today who thinks that Gore is the most intelligent canidate...

One of his comments was "I don't understand why people need an AK-47!"

Just as I was about come back with the reply, "And I don't understand why people need pornography, or large SUV's, or jewelry." his boss called him away. We'll complete the conversation next time I am there servicing their account.

It was a calm conversation, and a good excersice for me in self-restraint. :)

Noban,

Way to stay cool in the face of fire!

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Noban...
Santa Barbara is a tough room ;)

I experienced the same thing when I collected sigs for the "Veto the Governor" awhile back. And, being a woman, a guy felt that threats of immediate sexual violence preceding my death would help his arguement. Well, his act was good for 5 instant sigs :)
Its a bit frightening, these people are infinately more violent than we are purported to be, and I've begun to believe that the majority of these shooting rampages are done by these guys....not "gun nuts"

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First off, in order to have amind set, you have to have a mind. Most of these types of people have very little. Sometimes I wonder how and why they continually remember to breathe and strip the earth of a precious resource. I have the same thing woth friends who think AlWhore would make a great president. They always come up with well he and Billy "Blow-me" have done a great job with the economy... I have heard this about a dozen times. Each time it takes immense self control to keep from jumping across the table and slapping the $hit out of the offender. I now counter with what exactly did they do to help the economy? Always manages to stump the person.

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For a group of people who are supposedly against violence (or is it just 'gun' violence), it's amazing how hateful and violent their rhetoric is. They don't get it, that we are not the problem, that we, too, would like protection from the nuts, we've just recognized that our safety is our responsibility, that if you won't fight for your life, why would you expect an underpaid civil servant to do so, and anyway, by the time the cops get there, it's too late (and I haven't seen any of them offering their service as body guards-). In days gone by, natural selection used to work a whole lot better, eh?
M2
 
These people are zealous, non-thiniking, emotional nazis. Most of them are so dumb they don't know the difference between germ and German Shepard.

During the Prop. 15 fight (ban All Hanguns in Kalifornia,), in 1982, I was on a four panel group to debate the Initiative at a "town hall" meeting; two for, two against.

After the debate was over, in which, we creamed the antis with logic and facts, I was talking with a several members of the audience when a young yuppie woman charged up to me and screamed curses and then spit on me.

If anyone could ever be a poster boy for a gun owner restraining himself when outraged, I was it. I wanted to kill the bitch, but merely wiped off my coat with a handkerchief, smiled at her and pointed out to the people that she was a classic example of the rabid gun grabbers.

We won that election by 64% to 36%. (Of course, since then, we lost everything there, through the communistnazis taking over the Legislature and Governor's Office.)

Pure, unadultrated emotion, illogic and outright LIES, are the gun grabbers' tactics.

J.B.
 
The guy yelling at you is probably a rapist and is pi$$ed because its people like you that take people like him out of buisness :D.

I hear that Al Gore is so wonderful all the time, it really makes me want to slap them upside the head as well. My MIL told me she likes GOres politics, I told her she likes what he reads off a prompt :D. At least I have convinced my democratic parents not to vote for him. THey aren't happy with him either, so thats good. Still working on the MIL but have a few comebacks up my sleeve next time she starts :)

Keep up the good work Noban!

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It has long been my contention that most, if not all, anti-personal freedoms people know that they are not to be trusted with anything more dangerous than a dull carrot because they would use it to attack somebody else. Since they know that they are whack jobs looking to happen, everybody else just has to be in the same mental state, ergo to prevent them from acting on thier sick impulses, all firearms (and other "bad" things) must be outlawed.

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I suspect that behaving like this stems from the inability to think even one step ahead to possible personal hazards involved in insulting strangers. The guy that bugged DC probably never guess how easily she could have stomped him flat...same people who do not think their politics through aren't smart enough to survive except by the grace of their more restrained betters.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>nd I've begun to believe that the majority of these shooting rampages are done by these guys....not "gun nuts"[/quote]

I think that's a big part of it.

There was a guy on my college debate team that I had a fair amount in common with -- we were both big guys, he was a "former marine," and I was ex-army (both infantry), etc. He was rabidly opposed to concealed carry, primarily because he honestly believed he would kill someone while carrying.

We were used to solving these sorts of issues with evidence and source cites, but he would hear nothing of it -- he was absolutely convinced that he was among the more self-restrained in the population, and that blood honestly would run in the streets if common mimimally trained people could carry. (Yes, we discussed Florida, but he couldn't emotionally accept the facts.)

I don't know what you can do with that kind of mindset. Note also that he was a convicted felon (something about an ex-girlfriend in need and a boss with too much money) and chose to carry a sheath knife anyway. :rolleyes:

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dzeanah,
your roommate sounds a lot like my ex husband. Durung his many pi$$ing matches w/other drivers on the L.A. freeways, he would always say, "Boy, that guy's lucky I don't have a gun!" He was serious. :eek:
Needless to say, I did not take my revolver in the car whe he was going to be driving. He also thought that it was perfectly normal to think that way and that everyone else was the same.
I always wondered what very fine line is it that separates the freaks who do these awful things from the freaks who just contemplate them? I think it's really just a matter of circumstance and timing. Being in the wrong place w/the wrong person at the wrong time. I didn't stick around to find out!
 
I have never understood why some of these anti-gun people are so violent and hostile acting. Sometimes I have to restrain myself to keep from demostrating the proper use of firearms to them. However, I will continue to do so until it is legal or they enter my home in the dead of night and attempt to convice me of their position at which time I will show them the proper double-tap procedure and hope they will listen to reason.

RKBA!
 
Hehehe, You guys make me laugh. And it's good medicine!! :)

I've been fairly fortunate in that I don't get much exposure to that stuff. The last time it though, I quoted "Violence is the last act of a limited mind, and speaking of limits, your times' up, NEXT"!!!

I like watching the veins on their neck pulsate when confronted with an answer that they don't expect, and a non-violent comeback at that. Then chase it down with a snicker that builds to an out loud laugh.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
To be frank, this is one of the most fascinating parts of the RKBA, IMHO.

Dr. John Lott has given us the invaluable perspective of a brilliant economist regarding the RKBA. I believe we have a great need for a brilliant psychiatrist or psychologist to perform a similar analysis regarding the anti-self defense crowd as well. Somewhere out there, I hope, is an honest 'shrink' who will take a look at this issue - fertile ground for research, IMHO.

These days I tend to tell people that 'gun nuts' worry me as well ... but I'm talking about the anti-self defense zealots that seem consumed by emotion, ignorance, hatred and fear regarding firearms. I literally believe that there is an interesting psychological side to this, and yet I've never read of a study addressing this 'phenomenon'.

Sure, in some areas there is room for reasoned debate and disagreement between honest, intelligent people. However, the reactions noted above, and the incredible ignorance and misinformation present in many of these debates leads me to conclude that something more is afoot. Some of these folks are almost like cultists.

As an aside, I find the common reference to the AK-47 to be rather interesting. These days, I just ask the person if they know what it is. Invariably, they have no idea, and when it becomes clear that reality doesn't matter to them, well ... then I can save a lot of time by realizing they are intellectual zombies. Better to move on to someone who still has a few brain cells in gear. ;)

Regards from AZ
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I've begun to believe that the majority of these shooting rampages are done by these guys....not "gun nuts"[/quote]That is an absolutely fascinating proposition! I wonder if there's anyting to it. Any one seen or heard any statistics on these sick perps' stand on RKBA?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Sheeple have spoken or is it the Sheep has bleeted?[/quote]

...or is it "the jackasses have brayed?"

[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited May 02, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...when a fellow approached me and shouted, "I wish someone would shoot you in your f*&^ing head for what you are trying to do!"[/quote]

Shoot you in the f*$^ing head????? And he's anti-gun??????

Curious.....

Medic

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Well, in a way, you have to feel sorry for the anti-gunners.
We have some nuts on our side too, but we also have a tradition of political, leagal and historical thought on our side that streches not only to the founding of our own republic over 200 years ago, but back to the first enunniation of democratic principles and pratice in the ancient world over 2,000 years ago.
The anti-gunners have no such intellectual traditon to fall back upon. There is literally nothing credible to back up their position anywher in the history of the human race.
With them it is all the emmotion of the moment, as you have so rightly noticed.
I don't know if they attract a certain kind of mentality or not. I suspect we are just seeing the more unstable of the breed reacting to appeals that are fundamentally inflamitory and illogical by their very nature.
 
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