Utah County men charged in poaching 18 deer

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Magazine writers, some maybe. I personally would stack more of the "Trophy" mentality on the TV shows.

I watched a elk hunt (Saskatchawan ?) for the full 1/2 hour of the show, and did not figure out it was a high fence operation until I looked at the "outfitter's" website...:barf:
 
dipper, I reckon I would get the "pass"... Using a cheap gun with cheap ammo to take a little doe and haul her in the trunk of a 220k mile 15 year old car...:D
No 4 wheeler and no bars or gambling, but I am guilty of tippin' a cheap beer!
Brent
 
Darn Brent, I am sure I wouldn't even see you in the woods!!;):)

I probably couldn't catch you anyway with my old car.
19 years old and 240K on her.
 
don't think the query was about the usefulness or validity of DNA for prosecution. Instead, I think what was being asked was what was DNA tested before the warrant was issued?. If they had not confiscated materials, then what could they test?

Your Bodine is showing.
A visit to the taxidermy shop for scraps(garbage can) to match DNA from a carcass found on a shooting preserve, How is that hard to understand:rolleyes:.
 
Utah does use DNA testing. They will take samples of carcasses, and if they can match them to evidence during an investigation it kind of seals the deal. They have a pretty good anti-poaching program set up, they use rewards and "reward tags"to entice people to report poaching or suspected poaching. I know a couple fish cops around here and quite a few cases start with a tip from someone who only suspects poaching and they do a little poking around and people usually open their mouth a little more than they think and get caught. I have no sympathy for poachers other than in the most extreme cases, there are organizations to help if you're in need of food. "I had to feed the family" doesn't carry the weight it used to. Poachers cost us all millions in court and investigation costs as well as the cost to take care of them if they get what they deserve and get to stay in the steel hilton. Not all rules are made to be broken.
 
Your Bodine is showing.
A visit to the taxidermy shop for scraps(garbage can) to match DNA from a carcass found on a shooting preserve, How is that hard to understand.

Thanks, but not mine. Just re-explaining the question since you didn't answer what was being asked.

However, you can help me out here. I didn't see in the article or the video clip where it even said that DNA testing was done before the warrant was issued. What am I missing?
 
Ya'll do realize that in MANY states a game cop doesn't need a warrant to force his way into your home/property to search for illegal animal parts and can take what he considers "evidence" with him....
Brent
 
However, you can help me out here. I didn't see in the article or the video clip where it even said that DNA testing was done before the warrant was issued. What am I missing?
Investigative DNA might not be revealed at any point.
Kind of like a poker hand, it may cost you to see the other hand;)

Ya'll do realize that in MANY states a game cop doesn't need a warrant to force his way into your home/property to search for illegal animal parts and can take what he considers "evidence" with him....

That "IS" a common misconception that has been around for many years. Its BS. Unless there are blood trail kind of evidence(figure of speech).
The Conservation Office is highly trained in getting "permission" to enter private property.
Here in MN a Conservation officer was thought to be able to open a fish house on a frozen lake and do a surprise compliance check. until a meth lab was found in production and the bad boys were set scott free because there was no warrant. Today a Conservation Officer must knock and ask, You can say no and they go away. Unless they have a warrant:eek:
 
I spoke with a buddy of mine at USFWS about DNA in cases. Granted, this case is not a USFWS, but a Utah case, however I doubt the procedures necessarily vary that much. Basically, he said that they did DNA even prior to having suspects or warrants depending on the seriousness/priority of the case, which I found interesting given the time and effort involved. In fact, he said they may do whole workups on DNA, serology, hair, feathers, hide, etc. as needed even before there is an actual suspect if the case is assigned as being high priority.

Determining priority can depend on numerous factors. Certain types of animal cases often take precedent over others, such as if a lot of carcasses of animals are found or if the animal is a high status animal such as a bald eagle that has been shot. Then there are the aspects of the investigation such as if the animals are potentially linked to a larger or ongoing case, such as trafficing in poached animal parts (i.e. bear gall bladders to the Asian market, for example).

Those which are not tested on a priority status have various tissue samples taken and stored for future testing/analysis as needed.

So did they do DNA apriori the warrant in this case? Maybe or maybe not, but they can get DNA from antler and identify individual animals. So antlers can be tied directly to the individual carcass from which they originated if there are samples of each to match.
 
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