using scope as observation tool hunting

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This came up in another thread asking if the rules of "enough scope" have changed.

I suggested some folks believe a powerful scope is a good observation tool to sweep and scan with.

In my opinion,this results in pointing a rifle at targets that have not been identified.I have seen people glass my position in the field with a riflescope.I do not like having guns pointed at me.

I carry binoculars.I glass with binoculars till I find something to aim at.

One responder said he glasses with his scope,but the chamber is empty and the safety is on.


That sounds a lot like "Don't worry,its not loaded"

I had an old guy say that to me in the woods when I asked him to stop pointing his rifle at me as we had a conversation.

Thoughts?

Hunting season is coming,lets talk about this.
 
I will be VERY surprised if the answers to this one deviate much from the sound answers given by the first 2 posters.

Makes my skin crawl to imagine someone using their scope to determine if that is a deer.....or my wife!....coming through the woods!!!

Leave the rifle down until you've determined WHAT is out there. And then, and only then, look at it more closely as you decide if the deer/hog/elk/bear/whatever.....meets the legal, ethical and personals standards necessary to ultimately pulling the trigger.
 
Like ligionerbill said, nothing to discuss!
Treat every gun as a loaded gun!
Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction!
Little story,
My C O that I teach Firearms Safety with was glassing a group of hunters with his Binoc's and watch one of them pick up a rifle and look back at him. The party realized right away it was a Warden and put the rifle back down. When the Warden approached the group there was a apology, but when the warden opened the action on the rifle used he found it was a loaded rifle.
A citation was issued only problem was the judge ordered that a felon assault charge was in order. The Warden did plead the case of no intent to do harm and the person who I know well was fined and lost hunting privileges for 3 years.

I myself have never liked using Binoc's and do use a monocular but that still isn't as easy to use as a scope. I have for years thought about using a scope mounted on a short stock only, kind of like what we use to test a scope at the store counter. The only thing that keeps me from it is people may still think I am pointing a firearm at them and it could still fall into a brandishing definition where I could be turned in and then have to defend myself.
 
I am in total and complete agreance with what has been said thus far. By putting your scope on something to look at, you are pointing your weapon at it. Violation of the rules in anyone's book.

With binoculars offered in equivalent power to scopes and many being extremely affordable, there is simply not justification to warrant not using them.

Pointing a rifle a rifle at someone is a sure fire method of getting into a significant disagreement!
 
Another bad habit !!!

One responder said he glasses with his scope,but the chamber is empty and the safety is on.
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His opinion or ignorance does not surprise me and of course we all know that an unloaded gun never shot anyone. I don't even like a finger pointed at me, let alone a muzzle. .... :eek:

Be Safe !!!
 
Dare I say it?
Ok, what the heck, I'm safely out of reach.
But I'm gonna' duck afterwards, anyway.

Of all the people that I've been around who own weapons, "Hunters" seem to be the least safe, with their equipment.
Enough so, that I generally don't go to the range at the beginning of the hunting seasons.

Maybe with being the largest segment of gun owners, it's just in the percentages,
But in spite of the training and licensing requirements, if I'm around a person who only uses their guns during hunting season, I've learned to watch my back really well.
Now, I'm going to find something substantial to hide behind.
 
I took an old stock off of a M77MKII plastic and built a mount for a spotting scope. Hung a Harris bipod off the end and attached a sling. It makes a handy field expedient spotting scope (about all that stock is good for IMO). It looks almost nothing like a rifle, but I also wrapped orange tape along the forearm. Nice tool for hiking in to the back country.
 
I did that for a long lensed camera.
But it's amazing how people will over react to anything that suggests a gun.
So it got replaced with a light weight tripod.
Probably would be less of a problem in a hunting environment, though.
 
As most have in the past heard from their parents. "You have to watch/be careful who you associate with. Same goes for hunting. Not everyone takes their firearms handling serious. More often than not those are the individuals who are capable of making careless mistakes on occasion. {That could have had a more serious outcome.} Whenever I'm around or seen with a firearm. >Its all business with me!!<_ I don't excuse others around me who exhibit a non nonchalant behavior when handling a firearm loaded or not. If it happens. Either their gone or quietly I'm gone. Oh that fellow will still be my friend of course. Just because he handles a firearm poorly doesn't mean I don't like him altogether. I just choose not to be around him when firearms are within reach or present. A simple resolve is all that's required. No harm No foul.

As far as binoculars are concerned. I don't use them. I rely on my eyesight.
 
I use my scope to observe. If you get crosshairs on you, you deserved it because you were trespassing. I use binos, but I use the scope as well. If I hunted on public land, I would not use the scope for observation.
 
I have used my scope on many bucks that I let walk for another year. But I have to agree, it's a bad way to "see if anything is out there"
 
Where I generally hunt, it is so thick that you do not need to "glass" an area looking for game. If you can not distinguish a deer from a hunter with your eyes at that range, you need new glasses or should not be in the woods. That said, in that situation, I do use my scope to determine if the animal is worth shooting, because the animal is so close I already have the gun on it. But, since I generally hunt with iron sighted handguns, this is usually a moot point. Here in Wisconsin it is a crime to "scope" another hunter, even those that may be trespassing. "Scoping" a warden or other LEO will turn you into a felon.
 
Having been "glassed" by a jacktard using his scope as a pair of binoculars, I take a dim view of the practice. This idiot used his riflescope to see if me and my kids were deer, wearing hunter orange ......... "I wuz jus' tryin' t' see what ya wuz......"



Where I generally hunt, it is so thick that you do not need to "glass" an area looking for game.
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A good set of binos can help you pick out the flick of an ear or the turn of a head further out than the naked eye can ...... still hunting is a lost art.
 
I use my scope to observe. If you get crosshairs on you, you deserved it because you were trespassing.
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reynolds357

With respect...would you be able to live with yourself for shooting some kid(or adult for that matter ) that trespassed on your property?
God forbid that would ever happen but not only would you have to live with it but would most likely loose everything you own in legal expense's trying to stay out of jail.

Trust me when I tell ya, I fully understand the trespassing frustration thing to the fullest. I was 'scope' glassed by a trespassing slob hunter squirrel hunting with a .22 while I was perched in tree stand in a shag bark hickory , deer bow hunting , completely camo'd with squirrels running track all around me on my own property.

Glassing with scope is just baaaad mojo either on public land or private.
 
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I don't recall the firearm safety rules having an escape clause for "just looking," or "does not apply while hunting."

"Be sure of your target" does not include pointing your firearm at it!
 
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