Using front sight

You guys can debate here all you want, but until you receive some hands on training, your debates resembles virgins talking about sex.
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Well, that settles it. What was I thinking? I guess the next time I consider receiving instruction from Massad Ayoob on methods of combat situations, I'll just blow him off and go straight to the "BTDT Almighty Ones"...:rolleyes::barf:
 
Not quite,Tutlle8
A better analogy would be if I was blowing off Ayoob's instruction without either training with the man, researching his written/video works or at least training with someone who trained with him.
In that case then my opinions on him/his system
would not be worth the ink they were printed on.
Or, in other words, like a virgin...
 
Which is precisely why I recommend to friends and shooters that if they're interested in learning about Combat Focused shooting, to check out Rob Pincus and ICE Training. Rob's one of the "top flight" trainers out there, and is featured on Outdoor Channel's The Best Defense on Wednesday nights. I'd reckon that if you're interested in learning about threat focused shooting, that you should skip all the internet experts and go train with the best.
 
Rob's one of the "top flight" trainers out there, and is featured on Outdoor Channel's The Best Defense on Wednesday nights. I'd reckon that if you're interested in learning about threat focused shooting, that you should skip all the internet experts and go train with the best.
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And it looks like Rob will be in VA Beach next month... guess i'll have to check it out.

Thanks for the insight guys...
 
That really made me a bit depressed, Ahab. We've had to travel every time we wanted to go to a training course. This year we're taking a break from course training to bolster our savings and frankly making sure we're prepared if we become affected by the economy. Then I check out your link to Rob's site and they have a course in Cedar Rapids. That's only just over an hour away. Guess we're going to have to keep a close eye on their course schedule for next year and only hope they come back around.
 
Tuttle: that's one of the neat things about Rob's classes is that they move them around the country. It makes it easier for shooters to get access to instruction. In the world of "threat focused" shooting instructors, it pretty much goes Rob Pincus/ICE at the top and then everyone else falls beneath them (some more distantly than others).
 
My first time in the 360 degree simulator at Front Sight (I think you know what technique they teach there!) I shot the course and afterwards the instructor (who was clipped to the back of my belt) asked if I had looked at the front sight at all during the firing drill. I couldn't remember and he said "You did once, the rest of the time you were point shooting". We scored my targets and I was appalled at some of my shots, marginal hits on targets I could have reached out and touched! Then we came to the hostage target, a bad guy holding a knife to a little boys throat. I had two bullet holes touching between the eyes. The instructor said "This was the only time you looked at your sights". He said because of the difficulty of the shot, with the hostage covering most of the target, I reverted to my good technique because subconsciously I knew I needed to make a difficult shot, the rest of the time I was just reacting to targets popping up, not aiming.

I can see a difference in my groups when I focus on the front sight, when focusing on the target I still can shoot pretty well, but there is no doubt I can be more precise if I focus on the front sight.

Question: if you're focused on the front sight, how do you tell if a guy just pulled out a cellphone versus a 380?
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If you are drawn and pointed at a guy and you don't know what he has in his hand, I have to assume you are robbing him, not the other way around. I can't think of why you would be pointing a gun at somebody you didn't know was a threat.

When I train, and I am drawn on a target, the gun is up in my plane of vision or at the low ready but I am looking at the target, giving commands to stop or what have you. I would have a clear view of what the target was doing. When I decide it is now time to shoot the threat, my eyes change focus from the target and now the front sight is my focus, the sights are already lined up, and I take up the slack on the trigger while fine tuning my aim and the gun goes bang, all in a split second. That is what works best for me.
 
If you are drawn and pointed at a guy and you don't know what he has in his hand, I have to assume you are robbing him, not the other way around. I can't think of why you would be pointing a gun at somebody you didn't know was a threat.
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Come on man, dont assume... Guy I know drew down on a kid who jumped out at him from behind a car as he was closing his shop late one night... Kid was just "messing around" but thats a good situation to know what his hands and not your front sight are doing...

Interesting about your 360 degree training results, but I find it hard to beleive you can say with certainty that your hostage kill was front sight. Possible yes, maybe even likely, but accuracy will always increase in that situation because you instinctively take your time (kind of like what the instructor mentioned).
 
If you are drawn and pointed at a guy and you don't know what he has in his hand, I have to assume you are robbing him, not the other way around. I can't think of why you would be pointing a gun at somebody you didn't know was a threat.
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Given the previous responses around here, you should draw down on somebody even if they have no weapon visible if they are breaking into a car, inside your house, arguing with you, walking toward you in a parking lot, and a whole host of events!:D
 
Don't forget to always carry while you're on the john, Dave. That way if the pizza guy turns out to be a "tango", you can nail him while using your tactical toilet for cover.
 
Don't forget to always carry while you're on the john, Dave. That way if the pizza guy turns out to be a "tango", you can nail him while using your tactical toilet for cover.
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Oh lordy, I forgot. All those warrior schools--
Get Off the Toilet!
Tactical Toilet Training!
Fighting Toilet Skills!
Defensive Toilet Training!
Introduction to Defensive Toilet!
Close Range Toilet Fighting!
Toilet Terrorist Interdiction!
Toilet Armorer!
Toilet Rifle!
Advanced Toilet Rifle!
Extreme Toilet Rifle!
Target Identification from the Toilet: Is it really the pizza dude or is it a terrorist?
:eek:
 
Hahaha, thanks for the laughs Dave.

But would you say there are some circumstances where drawing on someone and watching them, not your front sight, is prudent?
 
But would you say there are some circumstances where drawing on someone and watching them, not your front sight, is prudent?
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I would say that watching the BG instead of your front sight is usually the more prudent course of action. The front sight is not going to hurt me, the BG is, so that is where I want my attention and my focus unless there is some compelling reason to change that. Needing a precisions shot, for instance, would suggest a shift to a good sight picture, whereas some of the examples I gave earlier (someone messing with your car, unknown person in house, etc. or the example you gave where someone jsut sort of jumps out at you) would tend to suggest focus on the person until you determine danger levels, etc.
 
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