Used rifle mistake - but is it the scope or rifle

This rifle is not CURRENTLY listed in 7 RM but may have been in years gone by. This would be a fairly unusual calibre in europe. Usually Europeans prefer their 7mm in 7x57 or 7x64.

I suggest you have the barrel slugged and see what it is before you fire anything else out of it.
 
Voere rifles have been imported to the USA on and off for over 30 years that I know of, it is entirely feasible that it is chambered for 7mm Rem Mag.
 
First, give it a bath and remove the copper fouling.
Second, go over it with a screw driver. Make sure the mounts,rings, and scope are properly mounted and tight. Make sure the action screws are snug but not overly tightened.
Third, where did your ammo come from? Did you get it from your dad-in-law? If so, pitch it .Get new ammo. He might have given you somebodys reloads.
Shoot it from a rest such as sand bags.
Fourth, if it still won't group, remove scope and try to line it up using the iron sights.
Fifth,if it still won't group, you may have a bedding problem.

Hope some of this helps. Good luck.
 
Voeres in 7mm Rem Mag do exist :)

Here is a secondhand one at Cabelas http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---glendale---fine-rifle---1387363-voere21551m7rm.shtml

Apparently they are still in production and available in Australia at least. See: http://www.granitearms.com/Voere-Model-2165.htm Available standard calibres are listed as .22/250, 5.6x57, .243, 6x62, .25/06, 6.5x55, 6.5x57, .270, 7x57, 7x64, 7.5x55, .308, .30/06, 8x57JS and 9.3x62. Magnums are 6.5x68, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .300 Weatherby Mag, 8x68S, 9.3x64, .375H&H Mag and .458 Win Mag.

This said, it could have been rechambered: "I had a Voere 7mm mag rechambered to 7mm STW and it has a 24' barrel with a muzzel break and it shoot great." http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=399983
 
I have seen several Voeres in 7 Mag, sold a couple when I worked at the shop. The 7 Mag is kind of a romper stomper cartridge, you aren't recoil sensitive are you? Flinching?

I got to say, scope/mounts are what I'd put my money on. Do you have another scope to try this rifle with or another rifle to try the current scope on? If you put it on a rifle you're familiar with it should be pretty easy to figure out if its busted. Another easy way to check it is to take the scope off, hold it up to your ear and shake it. ANY noise is a bad thing.
 
Sorry to dig up old thread.
I took rifle to a smith and it was never meant to take the high power charge. It stretched the chamber and now is dangerous to shoot.
I posted a question about turning it into a lamp but was encouraged to look at rechambering it with a new barrel.

Is the old mauser action worth saving or is the lamp display better?
 
The question becomes do you want a $1000.00 lamp or are you willing to put a little more in to it and have a gun you can shoot. I'm not sure which way I would go on this one, but I think that if I wanted a rifle lamp I would buy a cheap rifle to build it. Sorry about your predicament.
 
It stretched the chamber ....
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I think that if you are going to consider rebarrelling it and shooting it that you ought to take it to a different gunsmith for him to check it out first.

Stretching the chamber often means the locking lugs get "set back" from the force. And that's the action, something that is not fixed simply by putting on a new barrel.

Now, it is possible to rebuild a safe working rifle, if the damage to the action is not too bad, but you have to be sure of that first. Otherwise, you are just wasting money at best, and taking a serious risk, at worst.

The lamp won't cost you anything but money.

If the smith you used told you about the condition of the action, either good, or bad, and you didn't tell us, thats fine. But if he didn't, he should have. And if he should have, and didn't, thats why you should have a different smith check it out.
 
My suggestion, send it to a place like E R Shaw, and have it rebarreled in a suitable caliber like 7x57. Those guys see a lot more actions than your local smith, and will send back any system they think unfit. So for about $300 you get a new barrel, installed on a trued action with correct headspace and testfired.
 
I'm puzzled about the rounds used in the rifle that may have caused the excess headspace. Was the rifle not chambered by the factory for the 7mm Mag? If so, were overloaded handloads used, or was it shot only with factory rounds? If factory rounds caused the excess headspace, chances are the bore was partly obstructed by corrosion or other substance and may show damage. If it shows no corrosion/ringing, perhaps another gunsmith, or the factory should be contacted.

A chamber casting seems like a simple check to see whether the rifle was re-chambered to another cartridge and still be okay. The bolt, perhaps the weakest part of the rifle, could be magnafluxed or otherwise tested to see whether it is safe for rebarrelling.

There are gunsmiths and there are GUNSMITHS! Great ones are harder to find/employ.
 
I took rifle to a smith and it was never meant to take the high power charge. It stretched the chamber and now is dangerous to shoot.
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This almost makes sense, but not quite. What "high power charge" did it take? A Voere 98 sporter is very strong and would have no problem with any factory ammo.

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If the gun was originally in 7mm Rem Mag, like it says on the barrel, then it won't be suitable for 7x57. The bolt face will be too big and the feed rails would be cut for too large a cartridge.

I don't quite understand all the skepticism about the chambering. 7mm RM may not be popular in Europe, but many of these rifles were made with the US market in mind. There's two 7mm RM Voeres on Gunbroker now.
 
Chamber Stretched ? That's a new one ! Get a chamber cast done measure it up and compare measurements to Cartridges of the World . Does a 7mm. Rem. Mag cartridge come out deformed . There's a couple things going on that don't make sence ! If 7 RM cases chamber , that rifle was indeed chambered for 60,000 PSI class cartridges . If the bore diameter is 7mm , it shouldn't be keyholing at all , not every 5th round for sure . If the bore is shot out it would keyhole every round , not just once in a while . Since your wife was going to give the FIL the money anyway , trade it or sell it and let someone else deal with it !
 
one old sap

I could not agree more. Every "Hot load" gun brought to me was locked up. The primer welds to the F/pin, and if you are lucky, that is all. The only thing I can think of that was not mentioned was wrong twist rate, and that kind of falls under wrong bullet weight.
 
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