US Post office is anti-2nd amendment

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Andy Blozinski

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They have the freedom and the right to ban guns in their buildings. It's their choice. That's America. But, they have also banned you from having a firearm in your own car in the parking lot. That's enforcing their views to make you adhere to them outside their facility. They are forcing their choice on us. That's oppression.

I just lost respect for the US postal service.
 
A bad law is one that won't be enforced.

They are forcing their choice on us. That's oppression.
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Now how are they doing so when they cannot enforce anything. They can't even run a successful operation, let alone enforce these so-called laws. The only time there is a problem is when "we" start it by open carry or similar actions. Given that, how many shootings have we seen where their employees go nuts and shoot co-workers ?? ..... :rolleyes:

Personally, I would like the USPS to go private and start doing thing the right way. ..... ;)


Be Safe !!!
 
But, they have also banned you from having a firearm in your own car in the parking lot. That's enforcing their views to make you adhere to them outside their facility.
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Parking lots for Federal property (either owned or leased) are under the same rules as the building(s) they serve.
 
They're not anti-Second Amendment, that's just the law as written and enforced. Your congressional representative can work to get that changed. Buy a stamp and send him a letter.
 
Since we don't have the text of the order yet, it's hard to say much. The suit was brought by the Mountain States Legal Foundation, who have not published it on their website.

Apparently the presiding judge decreed post offices "sensitive places" under the Heller dicta. From there, he claimed that "the security of the postal building itself is integrally related to the security of the parking lot adjacent to it."
 
I lost respect when they raised first class postage from three to four cents.
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Well, Finally someone else who remembers three cent stamps!

I was beginning to think I was the only one, my grandkids still look at me funny when I mention things like that.

How about fifty cent boxes of .22 shorts or sixty five cents for the long rifle?
 
I think the post offices are going the route of the typewriter. Their days are numbered. The internet has shut down most of their business and the rest of it is being crushed by FedEx and other carriers.

How does the post office suggest that they will enforce the "no guns in cars in their parking lot" Law? Are planning on using those useless full body TSA scanners on car bodies? Hehe.
 
The post office here is also the Federal Building . Lot of suit and tie desk jockeys coming and going . Its always been known carrying a Firearm on that property is like carrying one to the Court House . I dont know anyone that thinks to take thier gun out of thier car before going to the Post Office though .
 
Pahoo ....Now how are they doing so when they cannot enforce anything.
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They sure as heck can.



They can't even run a successful operation,
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Actually, it's Congress that prevents the USPS from being "successful". Spend five minutes on Google and find out why that is.;)



Personally, I would like the USPS to go private and start doing thing the right way. .....
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When that happens you would be the first complaining about the cost and slow service. :D


bandaid1 I think the post offices are going the route of the typewriter. Their days are numbered. The internet has shut down most of their business and the rest of it is being crushed by FedEx and other carriers.
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"Crushed"? Not hardly. I can still mail a handgun via USPS Priority Mail for less than half the cost of UPS or FedEx.
 
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They have the freedom and the right to ban guns in their buildings. It's their choice. That's America. But, they have also banned you from having a firearm in your own car in the parking lot. That's enforcing their views to make you adhere to them outside their facility. They are forcing their choice on us. That's oppression.
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You're just finding that out now? Been that way for a while

You do NOT have to use them or go there - so if it bothers you that much, take your packages and money elsewhere.
 
There are several US Post Office locations in malls/shopping centers around my area. So, any time I need to go inside I use one of these locations. I assume they can’t ban guns from an entire mall parking lot simply because it happens to include a postal location. Anyone know if my assumption is correct?
 
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Parking lots for Federal property (either owned or leased) are under the same rules as the building(s) they serve.
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For most federal facilities, I don't think that's correct. For most federal facilities (but NOT the USPS or the VA) the governing law is 18 U.S. Code § 930. The title is "Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities." (Note: "In")

The operative language of the law for the purposes of this discussion is:

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
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(Emphasis added)

So the title and the text of the law clearly refer to possession of firearms or deadly weapons IN federal facilities. That doesn't include parking lots. You can't be "in" a parking lot (unless it's a garage).

Then we have to look at definitions within that law:

(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
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So not only does "federal facility" mean buildings, it means buildings where federal employees regularly work. Meaning that an unstaffed restroom facility in a national park would not be a prohibited place, even though it is a federally-owned building.

Unless you are aware of some binding precedent from a court case or two that contracdicts my interpretation, I'll go with "in means in."

(However, I acknowledge that the Supreme Court has just cast doubt on the validity of the concept that words have meanings.)
 
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I dont know anyone that thinks to take thier gun out of thier car before going to the Post Office though .
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I do. (Okay, not I don't.)

Actually, because I know that the USPS's special law also prohibits firearms in the parking lots, I deal with it another way. I usually go to a post office that doesn't have a customer parking lot. I park on the street in front (or beside), which is not USPS (or even federal government) property, and leave my firearm in the car for the time I'm in the post office.

The second post office I sometimes use is in a commercial strip mall, so the parking lot isn't USPS property.

And a third post office I occasionally go to is like the first -- no customer parking on the premises, so I park on the street in front.
 
I can't provide any court cases, or precedent, and I won't argue that "in means in", but I can tell you from personal experience that the enforcement / interpretation of that varies in different locations.

I spent over 30 years working at a secure federal facility (security badges required for access). The area gates were 20 miles from town and over a dozen miles from the actual buildings themselves. The entire area was restricted (570 square miles). No guns, no access (unless you were a badged employee).

Now, right on the edge of town, the Fed leased a building (and parking lot)they used for training. The building was badged access, the parking lot was not.

There was a road rage incident, and a guy followed one of the people going to training into the parking lot, and produced a gun. Cops and DOE security responded. He was charged with the road rage, and possession of a firearm on federal property. (Not charged with trespass, the parking lot was open to the public).

I don't know how the case was resolved, sorry. But he was charged.

The Federal building /US Courthouse in town has a public access parking lot. As far as I know that building's parking lot doesn't have a "no weapons in the vehicle" policy, but I wouldn't put any bets on their response if you took a weapon out of your car and walked around with it...

I'm not arguing the wording of the law, but the enforcement of it seems to vary, and what I see is that generally they don't care about what's in the car, but do care a lot about what comes out of it near a Fed facility.
 
"Crushed"? Not hardly. I can still mail a handgun via USPS Priority Mail for less than half the cost of UPS or FedEx.
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So as long as I put it in a Flat Rate box. I can carry into a post office????:rolleyes:

I have kind of wondered about my Post Office. Since they dont really have a parking lot. Just parking spaces along the public road.

Not a huge issue for me, I dont carry there. not worth loosing my Gun rights because some nosy ninny saw me printing while bending over to check my P.O. Box.
 
Hmmm... My PO has a parking lot, but no adjacent on street parking. So what do I do to pick up a large parcel?
 
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