US gun law reforms
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dakota.potts
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Plumbnut, yes, that is essentially what many of us are saying.
Evan Thomas
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Plumbnut, before 1968, when the Gun Control Act replaced the Federal Firearms Act, there was no federal law prohibiting a 13-year-old from buying a gun. Some states had laws that set age limits, but the feds had no problem with minors buying guns or ammunition.
So there's nothing sacred or inevitable about the idea that minors shouldn't be able to buy guns -- it's a relatively recent addition to federal law.
Many of us feel that, while the right of the federal government to regulate firearms purchases involving interstate commerce (and to require background checks for such purchases) can at least be argued, based on the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and the 10th amendment, there is no constitutional basis for it to do so for privately owned guns in intrastate commerce. We're not happy about background checks in general, but that's an issue that isn't likely to come before the courts any time soon. But the idea that the federal government should have a say in how I dispose of my own property, within the state where I live, is just... abhorrent to me.
So there's nothing sacred or inevitable about the idea that minors shouldn't be able to buy guns -- it's a relatively recent addition to federal law.
Many of us feel that, while the right of the federal government to regulate firearms purchases involving interstate commerce (and to require background checks for such purchases) can at least be argued, based on the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and the 10th amendment, there is no constitutional basis for it to do so for privately owned guns in intrastate commerce. We're not happy about background checks in general, but that's an issue that isn't likely to come before the courts any time soon. But the idea that the federal government should have a say in how I dispose of my own property, within the state where I live, is just... abhorrent to me.
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Well if nothing else you have proven your fighting a losing battle.
Goodluck to you guys with the wild west mentality. Its not doing your cause one bit of good.
I've beat this horse to death and I'm out. I see and everyone else can see out opinions which we all have a right to have if we are civil about it.
Again all I want is for when a gun is sold by ANYONE or when a gun is GIVEN away the person that is buying the gun will have a background check.
The make model or kind of gun being sold is not disclosed or even the quanity.
Have a wonderful evening everyone.
Goodluck to you guys with the wild west mentality. Its not doing your cause one bit of good.
I've beat this horse to death and I'm out. I see and everyone else can see out opinions which we all have a right to have if we are civil about it.
Again all I want is for when a gun is sold by ANYONE or when a gun is GIVEN away the person that is buying the gun will have a background check.
The make model or kind of gun being sold is not disclosed or even the quanity.
Have a wonderful evening everyone.
Brian Pfleuger
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Plumbnut said:
And you have proven nothing.
You don't use research or data of any kind to support your opinion, you do not accept statistics or history as evidence contrary to your opinion. You don't even accept the words of written law that directly contradicts your opinion. We are all free to have opinions, sir, but all opinions are not equally worthy of serious consideration. Repeating yourself ad nauseum while ignoring anything and every one contrary to your opinion does not make you right or convincing.
WRONG... Completely different as only the gun thing is a right... None of the others can be remotely associated with the right of gun ownership...
Only a little bit... And the government has no RIGHTS!!!
Very little regulation is permitted... That is the nice thing...
Brent
THIS deserves a righteous Fisking.......
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Vaya con Dios, and may your chains weigh lightly upon you .... later on in life, when your Chosen Government puts the screws to you, please remember that you chose your fetters as "inevitable"...........
....... so you do admit that your cause is not ours?
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Vaya con Dios, and may your chains weigh lightly upon you .... later on in life, when your Chosen Government puts the screws to you, please remember that you chose your fetters as "inevitable"...........
No ones going to take my guns away or your guns away. You guys are getting all worked up over nothing.
I support simple background checks and nothing more. For the one hundreth time.
Innocent until prove guilty only applies to a crime. Background checks have been proven constitutional time after time.
I've talked to more than a handful of lawyers about this and all agree that the government can regulate firearms.
Ask the ones on the forum.
I probably have more guns than most of you and I dont intend to give them up .
Its common on forums for people to snip quotes out of context....just like some of you have done. That doesn't tell the whole story.\
Theres a thread on this forum that celebrates the killing of cats.......thats hurting your cause more than you know,do you realize how many people read this forum and see the use of firearms to kill cats as a bad thing? I assure you that particular thread is not helping show gun ownership in a very good light.'
One guy laughs that he killed his neighbors barn cat......another says he looks for micro chips as he skins them......thats horrible.
I lost my cat to a battle with cancer...it was part of my family. I took her to the vet everyday for 4 months to get treatment. I loved her with all my heart. I fed her with a syringe 3 times a day for 4 months before she passed.
I just dont understand that kind of attitude.....and I know others who read it dont either.
Here is a picture ofher on her last Christmas. My wife and I loved her like you love a child and she loved us. We miss her.....
I support simple background checks and nothing more. For the one hundreth time.
Innocent until prove guilty only applies to a crime. Background checks have been proven constitutional time after time.
I've talked to more than a handful of lawyers about this and all agree that the government can regulate firearms.
Ask the ones on the forum.
I probably have more guns than most of you and I dont intend to give them up .
Its common on forums for people to snip quotes out of context....just like some of you have done. That doesn't tell the whole story.\
Theres a thread on this forum that celebrates the killing of cats.......thats hurting your cause more than you know,do you realize how many people read this forum and see the use of firearms to kill cats as a bad thing? I assure you that particular thread is not helping show gun ownership in a very good light.'
One guy laughs that he killed his neighbors barn cat......another says he looks for micro chips as he skins them......thats horrible.
I lost my cat to a battle with cancer...it was part of my family. I took her to the vet everyday for 4 months to get treatment. I loved her with all my heart. I fed her with a syringe 3 times a day for 4 months before she passed.
I just dont understand that kind of attitude.....and I know others who read it dont either.
Here is a picture ofher on her last Christmas. My wife and I loved her like you love a child and she loved us. We miss her.....
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I support background checks for the buyer or person receiving the firearm.
No serial numbers of the gun....no gun type or brand caliber or anything is recorded.
Just that John Doe is buying a gun. The background check would insure the guys not just been released froma mental home or just got out of prison for trying to kill his girlfriend...for example.
No serial numbers of the gun....no gun type or brand caliber or anything is recorded.
Just that John Doe is buying a gun. The background check would insure the guys not just been released froma mental home or just got out of prison for trying to kill his girlfriend...for example.
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Theres nothing in the constitution that says the government cannot require background checks to keep felons from buying guns.
All I keep hearing is "No ones taking my guns and my rights are to own guns" well I agree unless you are a convicted felon or a certified crazy person.
Again I'm not supporting taking awau your guns if your allowed to buy one now.
Background checks when guns change ownership........no record of what gun or even thetype of gun changing hands.
I wouldn't support any other laws added to that. What good s a background check if a felon or a certified lunatic ca buy it out of the newspaper with no check?
Do you think a felon or a certified crazy person should be able to buy a gun from you?
Like I said I own guns and I'm not giving mine up either.
I'm for responsible ownership.....
All I keep hearing is "No ones taking my guns and my rights are to own guns" well I agree unless you are a convicted felon or a certified crazy person.
Again I'm not supporting taking awau your guns if your allowed to buy one now.
Background checks when guns change ownership........no record of what gun or even thetype of gun changing hands.
I wouldn't support any other laws added to that. What good s a background check if a felon or a certified lunatic ca buy it out of the newspaper with no check?
Do you think a felon or a certified crazy person should be able to buy a gun from you?
Like I said I own guns and I'm not giving mine up either.
I'm for responsible ownership.....
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Aye, but the 10th Amendment sez that if it is not in there that it IS NOT the Fed.Gov's Bailiwick, but the various States, or the People's..... and the Fed.Gov should STFU and STFD. ..... not that the Fed .Gov has paid much attention to the document that alledgedly sanctions yet constrains it, due to legallistic contortions of the Commerce Clause......... at least since Wiccard v. Filburn (1942).....
Right ........
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Your rights stop when they infringe on others peoples rights. Remember that and understand what that means.
Background checks DO NOT infringe on the 2nd ammendment. My backgrond check today literally took 4 minutes. 4 minutes to ensure the FFL dealer wasn't selling a gun to a known felon. Thats reasonable it is also responsible.
I think some pople just want a cause to grab on to and make a big deal out of. They like the idea of "us gun owners against the government" Its fun to be part of that group to them.
I've heard for the past 30 years..."They trying to take my guns" and I have been buying them the whole time without any issue.' No ones taking my guns and they never have tried......infact I shoot with police officers all the time.....I've trained with member of a Delta team. Even members of Delta believe felons should not own guns and background checks.
Who do you really think is going to come take your guns? Do you not understand "we the people"????
Dont you understand that the 2nd ammendment protects your right to bare arms?
I'm not your enemy...I do not want to take your guns...I simply do not want felons and nutcases from buying guns.
Background checks DO NOT infringe on the 2nd ammendment. My backgrond check today literally took 4 minutes. 4 minutes to ensure the FFL dealer wasn't selling a gun to a known felon. Thats reasonable it is also responsible.
I think some pople just want a cause to grab on to and make a big deal out of. They like the idea of "us gun owners against the government" Its fun to be part of that group to them.
I've heard for the past 30 years..."They trying to take my guns" and I have been buying them the whole time without any issue.' No ones taking my guns and they never have tried......infact I shoot with police officers all the time.....I've trained with member of a Delta team. Even members of Delta believe felons should not own guns and background checks.
Who do you really think is going to come take your guns? Do you not understand "we the people"????
Dont you understand that the 2nd ammendment protects your right to bare arms?
I'm not your enemy...I do not want to take your guns...I simply do not want felons and nutcases from buying guns.
Cats and the thread link I posted has to do with responsible ownership of guns and using them properly and respecting life.
Something some have no clue about. It puts gun owners in a bad light and the killing of pets should not be bragged about.
Killing non threatning pets with collars on and skinning them looking for microchips.
Thats not responsible ownership. Thats not a responsible person.
People who abuse animals and are cruel will do similar acts to people. Its a fact.
Something some have no clue about. It puts gun owners in a bad light and the killing of pets should not be bragged about.
Killing non threatning pets with collars on and skinning them looking for microchips.
Thats not responsible ownership. Thats not a responsible person.
People who abuse animals and are cruel will do similar acts to people. Its a fact.
OK THIS FOR THE LAST TIME IS WHAT I SUPPORT. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS
WHEN A FIREARM CHANGES HANDS A BACKGROUND CHECK MUST BE DONE.
IT WILL BE FREE AND NO CHARGE.
IT WILL NOT...I REPEAT WILL NOT RECORD THE TYPE OF GUN OR CALIBER OF GUN.
IT WILL SIMPLY JUST INSURE THAT THE PERSON RECEIVING THE GUN DOES NOT HAVE A FELONY OR HAS BEEN CERTIFIED INSANE.
NO GUNS WILL BE TAKEN AND THE 2ND AMMENDMENT WILL STAND STRONG JUST AS IT DOES TODAY.
Heck I would even be for lifting import bans on foreign surplus ammo or guns....solve our ammo shortage.
I would be for building public shooting ranges or having police ranges open to the public on certain days and have volunteer police give training classes for donations.
I'm all for our sport and our rights.
WHEN A FIREARM CHANGES HANDS A BACKGROUND CHECK MUST BE DONE.
IT WILL BE FREE AND NO CHARGE.
IT WILL NOT...I REPEAT WILL NOT RECORD THE TYPE OF GUN OR CALIBER OF GUN.
IT WILL SIMPLY JUST INSURE THAT THE PERSON RECEIVING THE GUN DOES NOT HAVE A FELONY OR HAS BEEN CERTIFIED INSANE.
NO GUNS WILL BE TAKEN AND THE 2ND AMMENDMENT WILL STAND STRONG JUST AS IT DOES TODAY.
Heck I would even be for lifting import bans on foreign surplus ammo or guns....solve our ammo shortage.
I would be for building public shooting ranges or having police ranges open to the public on certain days and have volunteer police give training classes for donations.
I'm all for our sport and our rights.