Upset about 1861 from Taylor's.

yarrum,
Your dispute with Taylor's is governed by laws and disclaimers. In the absence of voluntary agreement between the parties, it becomes a legal dispute. You relied on information from a website that has a disclaimer exempting them from inaccurate descriptions. And now you want to use the website description as the basis for a complaint.
I don't think that the law is on your side.
I would just send the gun back, eat the shipping fee and if they won't send the replacement with free shipping then you can still choose to buy the Uberti somewhere else.

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yarrum said:
If I want to pay for shipping to ship the one gun back AND pay them for shipping for the new gun to me AND pay for the upgrade to Uberti I can have my 7 1/2" barrel. I am ticked!
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As it stands, Taylor's has offered you a solution. One which by my reasoning as a former business owner, they don't have to. I understand you're ticked, but I think in reality you should be ticked more at yourself than at them. We all make errors and sometimes they cost us a few bucks. This is one of those times.

They've made the offer making up for their typo. Could they do more? Probably but they already have what they want, your money. Either accept the offer and put the whole thing down to lessons learned or...

Go shoot the new one, post pictures and a range report!!!

Historical accuracy can really only be achieved by spending many thousands of $$$$ on a first generation Colt in firing condition. Then having the guts to actually take that antique out and repeatedly fire it risking ruining it.

Personally, given my recent problems with Uberti quality control, I think you probably got the better of the deal.
 
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yarrum said:
Today, 06:36 PM

Greetings
CLembert,

Are you a dick in all your posts!!!
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Why don't you read all my posts and get back to me with your own opinion. Why take MHO on that?
 
Yarrum you come in here with your second post griping about a mistake you made and blaming Taylors for it. Now you call a respected member names. Methinks you need to grow up and get a life.
 
Sorry Clembert.

Sorry Clembert,

I didn't think you could use that language on the forum or I would have posted the question rather than sending you a private message. Since you posted it I assume it is ok and I owe you an apology... I should have asked you flat out.
 
How was Clembert being a dick? You made this post (on a public forum) You failed to mention that you bought the gun face to face. Clem just added the missing info that you left out (from a different public forum) Hawg's right. Grow up buddy. Clem aint the dick in this thread. You screwed up on your purchase. Live with it or send it back. Simple.
 
yarrum, my suggestion to your problem, either live with it, or take several other members advice cut & re-crown, or return it.
the members here are very knowledgeable, when another member has a problem , the rest try to help if they can, and give moral support on just about everything. so i ask that their be no name calling, there's no need in it. you asked & you got many suggestions , they might not be the ones that you where looking for .....
i'm glad that you did apologize.
 
mjn77,
thanks for pointing that out.....must have misread the post. in that case, an apology is needed to clembert. in my opinion, for what little its worth.
 
Even customer service didn't argue.

I find it interesting that some you feel that if I held the gun in my hand I am completely liable. I would note that Taylor's did not use that argument. According to your reasoning they should have told me "tough luck" you held it. They acknowledged the problem, after they discovered that I was right and their barrel was 8", the girl who took the call had no idea that it was not 7.5". I think you guys are so intimate with the black powder world that you think everyone should know that Pietta only makes 8". I thought they made both 7.5 and 8" and that Taylor's who sells "historically accurate" firearms only carried the 7.5".

I went through something similiar when I bought my 1851 Navy. Pietta sold both .44 (historically inaccurate) and .36. So I never thought twice that they might have two different 1861's.

Listen this whole thing boils down to...

1) I am a newbie... if someone tells me on their website and in their catalog that something is so then I guess I am dumb enough to believe it. I didn't know Pietta only had one barrel length and I thought Taylor's was the "historically accurate" place for guns.

2) When I purchased the gun It never crossed my mind that might be 8" long. If had any doubt I would have asked for a tape or at least would have asked for them to pull out the 1851 Navy if they had one so I could compare it

As far as Clembert goes. I should not have called him a name. However, his first statement to me on the other forum was completely inaccurate. He said their website PLAINLY showed the barrel at 8". I explained nicely to him that it had been changed and that it used to read the same as the catalog. He then came to this site and revived a dead thread. He placed all responsibility on me because I handled it. For reasons listed above I do not think I was completely at fault.
 
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yarrum said:
....He then came to this site and revived a dead thread....
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Seriously? No less than 7 other fellas posted on this thread less than 14 hours before I exposed your ridiculous accusation that Taylor's somehow tricked you into buying a firearm you personally inspected before handing over the cash.

yarrum said:
I think you guys are so intimate with the black powder world that you think everyone should know that Pietta only makes 8". I thought they made both 7.5 and 8" and that Taylor's who sells "historically accurate" firearms only carried the 7.5".
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You admitted that you thought that Pietta made both a 7.5" and an 8" version of the 1861 and you knew you had to be on the look out for this. You personally inspected the firearm. If you thought that Pietta made both a 7.5" and an 8" you should have had a tape measure on you, or asked to borrow a tape measure, or compared it with another cap-n-ball revolver, or discussed with the salesman your issue with barrel length. So many things could have been done on your behalf!

Just because a website shows a bunch of products it doesn't mean that it encompasses every product they sell. Your local Walmart has products for sale that are not available on the Walmart website and vice-versa.

The reason I pointed out your admission from the other forum was because I got sick of this thread, that was revived by someone else, where I read yet again how it was Taylor's fault for your dissatisfaction. Taylor's has a very good reputation around these parts. I merely pointed out the facts of your dissatisfaction to show that it wasn't Taylor's mistake. Why sit back and let Taylor's be the boogie man when I know that not to be true? Taylor's was very fair with you with regard to exchanging the firearm. They weren't generous. They were fair and...fair is fair after all.

It doesn't stand to reason that a fella who wanted a black car would go into a car dealer after dark, look at the car, then the next day complain about the car dealer because in the light of day he realized the car wasn't black but rather dark blue.

I've had two other opportunities to serve you:

1. Cap and Ball. Ready to take plunge but...

2. Conversion cylinder for 1851 Pietta.

I guess, as they say, third times a charm. If you don't want my help or opinion anymore then I'll refrain. Seriously though, you're gonna get a wide range of opinions on this and other forums. It might be a good idea to avoid posting on them if you don't want to hear the opinions of this diverse crowd.

I'm sorry you aren't happy with your purchase. It is a nice firearm. You have options with it. Enjoy it as is, modify it, or sell it.


There we go....someone stick a fork in it....:p

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Yarrum I am curious about something. I realize that for some reason you wanted only a 7 & 1/2 inch barrel instead of an 8 inch barrel. But honestly, why is that extra half an inch shorter so important to you? My thoughts are this.
If you have to pull a tape out to measure it to see if it is 7 & 1/2 or 8 inches, then obviously you nor anyone else can tell with the naked eye if it is 7 & 1/2 or 8 inches. So what difference does it make? Also that extra half inch would give it a slight increase in velocity with a given load over a half inch shorter barrel. Also the sight radius would be longer, which at least in theory gives you better accuracy. I guess I just don't understand why that extra half inch of barrel length was so important for you to not have.

My other thought are that the Italian black powder manufacturers have swapped barrels and frames around so much and created so many versions of black powder revolvers that never existed in history, such as .44 "navy's" when all "Navy's" are supposed to be .36 caliber. There are other features on the reproductions that are not exactly historically accurate too. So taking this into mind, it never bothers me if a BP revolver that catches my eye is not historically correct to the thousand's of an inch. If I like its looks I'll buy it.

Methinks you make much ado about nothing. A tempest in a teapot.
I wouldn't presume to try to tell you what to do, but if it was me and I liked the looks of the revolver and if there was nothing wrong with it other than its barrel being 1/2 inch longer than you wanted, I wouldn't worry about that at all and just shoot the heck out of it and enjoy it. After all, you aren't planning on willing it to the Smithsonian institute museum as a valuable artifact after your death are you? It has no real historical value so I cannot understand how that extra half inch bothers you so much.

If you bought a car and the manufacturer's documentation said the wheel base was a certain dimension and you measured it and found that their printed documentation measurements were off by a half inch, would you really be that upset and want to return the car just because of that? If a beautiful blond lady told you she was 5 foot 4 inches and later you discovered she was actually 5 foot 4 and 1/2 inches tall, would you send her packing?

Do what you want of course, but if it was me, I'd keep it and shoot the heck out of it and enjoy it. I personally like the longer 8 inch barrels anyway because I frequently look down the side of the barrel to sight rather than using the rudimentary sights on the revolver. A longer barrel gives me a longer and better line to look down the side of.

I guess I just don't understand how one half inch of extra barrel length is such a deal breaker for you.


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I never had a problem with Taylors but I am one of their retailers. They have always treated us good. In fact, I've ordered guns and when they came in, I told them those customers have flown the coop. No problem. But buying at a show---I don't know. Life is short:D If you bought 20 then I might be upset. I've bought some 2n'd and 3'rd gen colts that made me mad. As for example, I bought a 3rd Walker that was supposed to come in Colt box. It came in some box that I have no idea who made it . I was sad but I ate it anyway:mad: But ---if just shipping cost got you tore up, then you'll be mad again one day on another purchase. C/B guns ain't perfect all the time. Ain't that right!?
 
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