update on son's assault

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Your son can own a handgun @ 18. Probably can't carry it for a walk in the park, though. Might be better for him to face some kind of "illegal carrying" charges, next time, rather than face worse consequences at the hands of uncivilized savages.
 
When the neighbor pushed some buttons politically, all he got was it was not good for the community to publicize that another sex crime took place on campus.
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Then the family and all their friends and neighbors should be picketing outside both the police department and the college campus.

Why would the powers that be fix anything (which involves change, and work) that the people didn't let them know they demanded fixed? There's inertia that needs overcoming in that particular community, and the people who are pissed off at this case's handling are the ones who have to overcome it.



-azurefly
 
just to clarify...

"Welcome to the criminal justice system"

We do NOT have a criminal justice system.

We have a judicial system.

Note the diference. Now, where's that icon?:mad:
 
To the two who posted the statements above: You are SICK if you think, even for one second, that law enforcement WANTS to see animals on the street. You're simply SICK.
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+1 Powderman!

I guess you guys (Azurefly and V4vendetta) don't realize that we want the streets to be as safe as you want them to be. The only difference is that LEO's have taken the oath and trained (and trained and trained...) to deal with this kind of person. Job security my arse! There are more of "them" than "us", we don't need or want to keep the dirtbags on the street, as there is another one out there just waiting to take the first one's place. I'm sorry you guys are so cynical....

Springmom, I understand your outrage but in your case, I encourage you to do two things. First, see it as you said 'a half a loaf may be better' and second, be prepared and aware always. Assaults are emotional happenings and those responsible can't be punished harshly enough (IMHO), but 'things is what they is'. If you don't like the way your courts are run, then get to the polls in November!
 
They want to release the criminals to cause more crime so the politicians can pass more laws diminishing our freedoms. From now on make sure your son is armed, a knife is better than nothing if he isn't old enough to carry a firearm legally.
 
springmom,

I fully understand that you don't want to leave and I respect your decision not to run from the bad guys. I just sincerely hope that it does not come back to bite you on the bottom. While the principle of giving is disgusts me, I would not sacrifice the safety of my family over it. While I'm sure you would make a momma bear proud defending your son, I'm sure you know you can't spend every waking moment covering his 6. Best of luck to you and I hope those punks get what they deserve eventually... A bullet in the head. :barf:
 
I guess you guys (Azurefly and V4vendetta) don't realize that we want the streets to be as safe as you want them to be. The only difference is that LEO's have taken the oath and trained (and trained and trained...) to deal with this kind of person. Job security my arse! There are more of "them" than "us", we don't need or want to keep the dirtbags on the street, as there is another one out there just waiting to take the first one's place. I'm sorry you guys are so cynical....
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If you look at my first post, I said "certain police". I sent powderman a PM explaining why I believe that. I realize that there are good police officers like Lawdog & Serpico out there however like most other jobs & groups, the actions of a few bad apples taint the reputation of the rest. For instance, the police in NO after Katrina weren't exactly rays of goodness.
 
V, I'll give you that. I just never could understand why people buy into the sort of nonsense about police and DA's WANTING scum on the streets. Every cop I know took their job because they want to get rid of crime, not perpetuate it. This is how police become so jaded/cynical with the citizenry they protect. How can they feel good about themselves and their job performance when they lay their lives on the line every day to protect the same people who are telling them that they let scum walk so that they can have 'something to do' the next day. Like you said "a few bad apples". This applies to LEO's AND citizens.
 
I've had a few PM's asking why I think the way I do. I'll post the reason here for posterity.

I have a cousin in prison for murdering his infant son by smothering & biting him. He didn't do it. He's in prison because of a plea bargain he took because he didn't want to risk spending the rest of his life in prison. He's now served close to 20 years.

The DA decided to charge him despite the fact that the bite marks on the baby's body did NOT match the teeth molds of the father, despite the fact that his wife was a witch & worshipped Satan, despite the countless witness who stated that his wife was a nutjob.

The DA knew that most people think of mothers as loving & kind like Aunt Bea. Not this woman. Also I suspect that the DA didn't want to be reported prosecuting a woman who was a witch. Media might call him a racist or some such bull.

My cousin may be getting out early for good conduct & he obtained a college degree while in prison but how many people do you think will want to hire a person with a felony record?

His life & freedom were shattered not only by the loss of his child, but by a politicly ambitious DA. Therefore, I distrust people in the government.
 
The assistant DA in charge HASN'T DONE SQUAT to keep us in the loop about what has been happening. And trying to call her has been almost impossible, since she's always in court. I'll keep an eye on it.
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Then the DA needs to get complaints sent to him both in writing and on the telephone until something is done to satisfy you -- be that better contact from the ADA, or even just an apology for not keeping you apprised.

I would recommend against letting public servants fail to serve you the way they should. If you don't raise an alarm about lackluster service, lackluster service is certainly what you should expect in the future.

If nothing is done, at least you will know that you tried.


-azurefly
 
+1 Azurefly. We have waited until this was over, one way or the other. The DA will get a letter of complaint. Whether he'll give a flip one way or another is of course open to debate..... :mad: :mad: :mad:

To those who suggested moving: I expect that when this guy gets out 9 months from now, the people he's going to be REALLY mad at are his compatriots who sold him out so that he is the only one doing any real time for an assault that they ALL should have been held to account for. I'd be a lot more worried if my son had been the informant than with him as the victim. Think: who does he REALLY have to blame? (besides himself, but that's unlikely).

And no, he CANNOT possess a handgun at age 18. It's 21. And no, I'm not going to have him have "some kind of illegal possession" charge, thanks. He wants to go into the Navy eventually and he does NOT need a criminal record. Honestly, people.

We can debate 'til the cows come home as to whether a young person of 18 ought to be able to have a CHL. But the fact is he cannot. Like others his age, he has to make do with pepper spray or a knife until his 21st birthday.

Thanks to all of you for your support and empathetic outrage. It is worth being outraged about, both the origninal act and the wimp-out by the judicial system.

But he's alive and well, and in that I count myself blessed.

Springmom
 
I understand your frustration springmom. I am 17 and although have never been assualted I have had some close encounters. It doesn't matter how big a guys muscles are, there are still punks who will mess with you.:mad: Not trying to get personal, but did your son fight back?
 
vupdblue said:
I guess you guys (Azurefly and V4vendetta) don't realize that we want the streets to be as safe as you want them to be.
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Hold up, man! I may agree with V about a lot (and also disagree about plenty), but I did not jump onto the "cops want job security so they want criminals let back out."

That makes as little sense to me when practically applied (although in theory it could be argued somewhat) as it does to you.

MY problem is with an ineffective, mamsy-pamsy legal system that simply exhibits a refusal to be as tough as society clearly needs it to be when it comes to criminal behavior -- whether it is violent crime or white-collar crime.

Springmom's experience is a glaring example of exactly what I'm talking about.

What I think it comes down to is not that some in society want criminals sprung back out into the public, but the fact that some people have a stupid, rosey-colored view of human nature that is at odds with our practical experience -- and they go believing that every putrid miscreant is worth "a second chance," never thinking for a moment that when he screws up his "second chance," it means that someone, somewhere, has been "volunteered" to be the second chance victim.
(This last point cross-references with my objection to "three strikes laws." Who wants their daughter to be a rapist's second -- or god forbid third -- "strike"?!) :mad:


-azurefly
 
Best of luck to you and I hope those punks get what they deserve eventually... A bullet in the head.
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Your opinion and mine aside, Springmom has repeatedly disavowed sharing that type of sentiment, even about the vermin who beat and shot at her son -- a viewpoint around which I have not been able to wrap my mind. :(

Whether she is simply protecting herself, by denying feeling the way you and I do, from later accusations that she premeditated something she may well have to do at some time in the future, I cannot say.


-azurefly
 
well, since you asked ...

:D I'll be glad to answer.

In the moment of the attack, things are fluid and the outcome is not known, and my personal safety is obviously at high risk. At that point, I will do what it takes to come out of it alive. That includes anything from rolling under the garage door (see the thread on driveways in T&T) to shooting someone point-blank. I know myself well enough to know that the taking of a human life, regardless how justifiable, would leave a scar on my soul and that I'd be awhile working on that with my priest. (As an aside, in Orthodox Christian churches, if a person takes a life, even accidentally, the Church recognizes the damage that does to the survivor and demands pastoral work with the priest. Nobody shoots somebody and gets away from it unscathed, and if you don't take my word for it, read On Killing, by Col. Dave Grossman for some enlightenment).

Now...in the case at hand, our safety is no more at risk than it ever is. If, magically, the assailant were teleported from his cell in the state jail into my living room (in handcuffs; let's not complicate matters too much...I'm still not at risk), and I have in my hands my Kimber, what would I do?

I would not kill him.

I cannot, God help me, say that I wouldn't, had he killed Youngest Son. I don't know, and I hope I never have to know, the extent to which my soul can be tested. Nor do I know what I'd have done had I happened to be driving by the park that night (that I would have intervened goes without saying, but I have no clue, truthfully, what that would have looked like). But the point is, the assailant did not kill my son. Why, then, would I be justified in taking his life? Even the ancient law codes, such as the Code of Hammurabi and of course the Torah and Talmud, allowed retribution in kind, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".

I'm not playing coy. That is not my nature. It simply is unacceptable to me to postulate that because a person has committed an assault, they should be killed in cold blood. Perhaps I'm missing the point y'all are making, and you're just saying that YS would have been justified had he been able to defend himself with lethal force. I think all of us can certainly agree on that. But once the overt, immediate threat is over, and I and mine are safe, then the legal code...state of Texas penal code in our case...takes over jurisdiction and has the authority and the right to exact punishment.

The punks do not, at this point, "deserve a bullet in the head". They deserve punishment more stringent than what they are getting, but they do not deserve the death penalty for something that in itself did not involve murder. However, should they decide to come visit for payback, then the original point is back in play and I will defend myself and my family.

Springmom
 
springmom,

I wish we all shared your sanctity for life, no matter how much of a scum bag that person may be. While my comment was not meant as a death sentence for those vermin who roughed up your son for no good reason, I find it very hard to believe that they will ever change and become positive members of society. I think most will graduate to become full fledged gang bangers and career criminals. They will prey on good upstanding people and cause pain and suffering for their victims and their victims families.

For that reason, should one or all of them catch a bullet in the head while they are out harming someone else, I will not shed a single tear on their behalf. I fail to believe that they really have no concept of right or wrong and I sure as hell believe that each person chooses their own destiny.
 
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But the point is, the assailant did not kill my son. Why, then, would I be justified in taking his life?
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My feeling? Because they TRIED to take your son's life. That's what any rational person who learns that they FIRED GUNS at him would understand. And people who TRY to murder other people are, to me, JUST as worthless to human society as those who succeed.

The punks do not, at this point, "deserve a bullet in the head". They deserve punishment more stringent than what they are getting, but they do not deserve the death penalty for something that in itself did not involve murder.
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I guess that's a major area in which we disagree. These are not people who are going to likely "see the error of their ways" and up and start doing charity work, 'mom. And as I said, it was but for lack of accuracy that they did not murder your son. In fact, any of the blows he suffered could have killed him, isn't that true? (People die of a single punch to the face sometimes, after all.)

However, should they decide to come visit for payback, then the original point is back in play and I will defend myself and my family.
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Yup, and if that happens, I hope the circumstances call for their being dispatched to hell where they belong. And since you express uncertainty about how well you'd deal with that mentally and spiritually should it occur, I would then wish you well in handling it on a personal level.

Me, I do not believe I would have difficulty with it.


-azurefly
 
Springmom, my sympathies. You're dealing with an extremely difficult problem. The posts about the ulterior motives of l.e. and prosecutors are non sequiturs to this thread.

However, I'd once-again point out that you're absolutely INCORRECT in thinking that your 18-yr-old can't own/possess a handgun. He can't buy one from an FFL, but he can certainly legally own/possess one. Might not be able to acquire a CCW license, but he CAN legally own a handgun.

V4Vendetta's sad experience relative to his cousin seems to have warped his sense of reality. The cousin, at the very least, made some pretty lousy choices in his life. Also, I can't imagine that a D.A. would have any problem prosecuting some nutcase who claimed to be a witch. Sounds like the cousin was (1) guilty and/or (2) had poor lawyering and/or (3) is really stupid.
 
QUOTE]V4Vendetta's sad experience relative to his cousin seems to have warped his sense of reality. The cousin, at the very least, made some pretty lousy choices in his life. Also, I can't imagine that a D.A. would have any problem prosecuting some nutcase who claimed to be a witch. Sounds like the cousin was (1) guilty and/or (2) had poor lawyering and/or (3) is really stupid.[/QUOTE]


On the contrary. It's people like YOU who are in a altered reality. My cousin did make some poor decisions in his life but that's no excuse for the DA's behavior. It's not just my cousins case either.

Not too long ago Daryl Hunt was released from death row after DNA evidence proved his innocence. A woman my mother works with is a friend of Daryls & she got us tickets to a documentary about his ordeal. The police activity in that case was also reprehensible.

Then there was the incident where a girld accused members of the Duke lacrosse team of rape. Then the police were found to have hidden witness testimony of a girl who worked with the "victim". She stated that the "victim" was drunk & had sex earlier with other guys. The DA however wanted to kiss up to the black community because of election time:barf: . Those boys lives will be ruined even if they are found innocent.

I have known several good police like Lawdog but there ARE bad apples in the mix too.
 
But the point is, the assailant did not kill my son. Why, then, would I be justified in taking his life?
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My feeling? Because they TRIED to take your son's life. That's what any rational person who learns that they FIRED GUNS at him would understand. And people who TRY to murder other people are, to me, JUST as worthless to human society as those who succeed.
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Ah, because I disagree with you, I'm not rational. Once again, a thread becomes personal and snarky when there is flat down no need for it.

However, I'd once-again point out that you're absolutely INCORRECT in thinking that your 18-yr-old can't own/possess a handgun. He can't buy one from an FFL, but he can certainly legally own/possess one. Might not be able to acquire a CCW license, but he CAN legally own a handgun.
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Fine. Yes. I could give him a handgun. He could keep it in his room. But what in the WORLD does this have to do with self defense OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE???? He can't CARRY the bloody thing. For self defense at HOME he can use his shotgun if need be. He cannot carry, and therefore this little debate is utterly irrelevant.

V4Vendetta's sad experience relative to his cousin seems to have warped his sense of reality. The cousin, at the very least, made some pretty lousy choices in his life. Also, I can't imagine that a D.A. would have any problem prosecuting some nutcase who claimed to be a witch. Sounds like the cousin was (1) guilty and/or (2) had poor lawyering and/or (3) is really stupid.
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THREAD HIJACK..... :barf: :barf: :barf:

People, I posted this because many of you read my initial posts regarding this incident, and some of you took the time to read my essay on it on my blog. I want to thank all of you who were kind enough to post words of encouragement. It has been a very long eight months, and as insufficient as the sentence was, there is some benefit in the thing being OVER.

Many times, you'll see victim's families on tv after a perp's been sentenced, and they say "Now we can get on with our lives." There's some wisdom in that, becuase until that bum's gone to wherever he's going to serve his sentence, there is that horrible, uneasy possibility that some jury will let him go and that NO justice at all will be done. This wasn't enough, but it wasn't nothing, and sometimes, life is like that.

MODERATORS: please close this thread at this point. If somebody wants to continue their chest-beating about how they want to put bullets in people's heads, they can start their own blinkin' thread and they can quit hijacking this one. Thanks.

Springmom
 
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