University students urged to carry guns.

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Jerry Falwell is urging his students to get a conceal carry permit so that they can protect themselves. I am truly impressed that he had the courage to publicly announce it on a public forum.

I'm glad to see someone take a stand and not worry about his job security and speak his mind and publicly disagree about President O'bama's statement in reference to the San Bernardino mass shooting,in which O'bama thinks that more gun control is the answer.

Was just wondering how you felt about Falwell telling the student body to get permits so that they may arm themselves.
 
Good concept.

The left is falling all over themselves about it all. The usual 'halls running red with blood' and 'professors will be too frightened too fail a student', that kind of drivel, but the most pathetic is the Christian bashing. Guess all that tolerance only applies to people with a demonstrated recent history of religiously-inspired violence. Apparently the Crusades and the Inquisition are more to be feared than militant Islam.
 
It is a great idea. It's like no has the intestinal fortitude to speak their mine because they want to be politically correct. As much as I dislike trump because he is an idiot, I respect that he speaks his mind.
 
Maybe someone in Virginia can chime in, but doesn’t State Law prohibit guns in dormitories. So, if they get permits do they all have to store their guns in cars in the parking lot? Maybe I’m over thinking this, but couldn’t that lead to a lot of thefts and possible prosecution of students who do carry guns into the dorms. Again, a great concept just not sure about the details.
 
Pretty ignorant statement by Falwell...

"I always thought that if more good people had concealed-carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walk in and kill," he said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/05/us/liberty-university-urges-armed-students/

Previously, Liberty had banned weapons.
http://www.liberty.edu/media/1210/On-Campus_Living_Guide.pdf

Now they have changed their policy...
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?pid=4153

Firearms on Campus

In light of the trend regarding respecting concealed weapons permits on University campuses, Liberty University’s Board of Trustees has amended the campus weapons policy to remove the total ban on firearms. THE NEW POLICY CREATES EXCEPTIONS FOR UNIVERSITY VISITORS WITH VALID CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS TO COME ON CAMPUS WITH THEIR WEAPONS. THE POLICY IS DESIGNED SO PERSONS WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS CAN CARRY THEM CONCEALED ON CAMPUS AS THEY WOULD OFF CAMPUS AND KEEP THEIR WEAPONS IN THEIR LOCKED CARS WHILE VISITING CAMPUS WITHOUT VIOLATING UNIVERSITY POLICY. Similarly, members of the University community that are over 21 with concealed weapons permits can seek permission from LUPD to carry concealed weapons ON CAMPUS and store them in their locked vehicles. LUPD can also permit certain faculty and staff to have concealed weapons stored in secured containers in their offices. HOWEVER, STUDENTS MAY NOT CARRY OR STORE WEAPONS IN RESIDENCE HALLS. The weapons policy also outlines a new procedure for members of the University community of any age to store their weapons with LUPD.
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I am glad they changed it, but they changed it for amongst the most unrealistic of reasons. Their students have always been threatened and endangered by evil that needed to be protected against.

Of course, if you fail to conceal properly, you can expect to be visited by the cops...
What Should I Do If I Notice Someone Carrying a Weapon?

Because there are persons who carry concealed weapons on campus, it is very possible that you may see a weapon on a person. In such conditions, you are encouraged to call the University Police, give a description of the individual, and location. You may remain anonymous. A police officer will be dispatched to locate and contact the person to confirm that they are lawfully carrying the weapon.
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To clarify, Jerry Falwell is dead.
Jerry Fallwell, Jr. Is the current president of Liberty.
There is a significant difference in the two.
 
I doubt that most of you know how little Mr. Falwell is risking. Lynchburg is in the middle of Virginia and it is dominated by Liberty. It is not near an interstate highway and there are no terrorists targets near it. Lynchburg does not have a large population of foreign born people. I lived there for eleven years and found the area to be safe and isolated from most of the turmoil in the world. The typical Liberty student is very different that the typical big city university student.
 
Very good, osbornk. Jerry Falwell, Jr. wasn't concerned about the rapes, assaults, and robberies on his campus over the past few years to have a need for guns on campus, events much more likely to happen and much more likely to cause harm to one of his students, but personal safety against normal threats isn't a good enough cause to make such a proclamation. Instead, it had to be one where it would garner publicity for so very little risk.

Now, he will be able to say that his campus is so much safer, and maybe it is and maybe it isn't. After all, the crime rate was already pretty darned low to start with for that little school. Lynchburg crime, however, is pretty high, in general, the city being in the lowest quarter of safety for crime in the US, not good, but he hasn't been concerned about students off campus, just on campus. http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/va/lynchburg/crime/

Keep in mind, he isn't doing this out of promoting 2nd amendment rights either. He is specifically doing this against Muslims.
 
So his motives are an issue here?

Maybe those folks questioning motive for allowing people to defend themselves would be OK if their own CCW permits were suddenly 'may issue', subject to an anal exam for politically correct reasons to carry.

The bottom line is, people can defend themselves if they carry. If they can't carry, they can't defend themselves.

The FBI needs your services, since you know there aren't any terrorist targets in Liberty. Just how large of a foreign-born population do you have to have before a two-person cell self-activates and decides to hit a holiday party or a classroom?
 
A liberal has seen the light and is encouraging young students to get a carry permit and recognize the need to defend themselves.

Yes it is sad that it takes an event such as a terrorist attack to open their eyes, but they did open them, at least some of them.

I don't care what their policy was in the past, it's what the policy is going forward that really matters.
 
Since when does being unarmed make you defenseless? And the idea of a bunch of nineteen year-old kids handling firearms is a little scary. Your idea may be different.

My mother-in-law is from Lynchburg. I can barely understand her English. Her parents worked at the other well-known school in Lynchburg, the religious one.
 
So his motives are an issue here?

Maybe those folks questioning motive for allowing people to defend themselves would be OK if their own CCW permits were suddenly 'may issue', subject to an anal exam for politically correct reasons to carry.

The bottom line is, people can defend themselves if they carry. If they can't carry, they can't defend themselves.

The FBI needs your services, since you know there aren't any terrorist targets in Liberty. Just how large of a foreign-born population do you have to have before a two-person cell self-activates and decides to hit a holiday party or a classroom?
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Again, people fear these events most because of all the TV hype when the real threats faced by people on a regular day in and day out basis is not from terrorism. Heck, more Americans were killed in Dallas by non-terror murders than terrorism killed in the whole of the US last year.

Questioning motives? Sure. Knee jerk reactions usually don't hold. Falwell isn't fixing a problem, but making a political statement based on religious bias, not truly out of concern for people's safety on campus. I highly doubt this change is permanent at Liberty.
 
Since when does being unarmed make you defenseless?
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First Rule: Don't bring a knife to a gunfight -- much less a bare fist
And the idea of a bunch of nineteen year-old kids handling firearms is a little scary.
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Hmmmm.... `Guess that lets a whole bunch of our military out.

There's a reason the term "well-regulated" is part of our Constitutuional lexicon.
It specifically means "well-trained individuals," not some creation under the state's thumb.

As an aside... I've had an epiphany of late. All this well-publicized rush to acquire weapons and hit the ranges means
that an uniquely American concept is not dead. And it's for precisely the reasons outlined in the Federalist Papers.
 
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