United Nations has BIG PLANS for your firearms!

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sorry but I'm not going to vote for a politician that wants to limit other freedoms in exchange for guns. it's as antithetical to the idea of liberty as the concept of gun control
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So what are you going to do - not vote? That will help.:barf:

Or are you going to vote for the antigun zealots - 95% of whom are Democrats - because of your hatred for George W. Bush? That makes even more sense.:barf: :barf: :barf:

Either way, if the antigun bigots win they will ram more antigun laws down all our throats - first up will likely be another "assault weapon" ban that will make the last one look like a Sunday school picnic.

When they do, you can take pride in the fact that you helped them achieve their goals, since you prefer that to voting for progun candidates.
 
fear mongering

So what if it is? Should we wait for them to hit us with a sledgehammer, instead of the tack hammer they have now? We know what these people want, what does it harm us to be kept up to date on the progress of their nefarious schemes? Don't want to send money, then don't. No one is putting a "gun" to your head.

Got issues with how the NRA, the GOA, JFPO, and others conduct their business? Then join, contribute, and work for and with them until you get into a position to influence policy. THEN, you can get them to do it the way YOU think is right. Not supporting them, because you disagree with the details of how they are trying to make a difference is, I believe, counterproductive.

Nobody out there in politics is on our side, except a few individuals, most of whom are classified as "fringe groups". Both parties ultimately want total control, they just differ slightly about their immediate goals, and their methodology.

And as long as the majority of the people in this country have their "bread and circuses", they don't care. And they WON'T care, until it is their sacred cow that gets gored.

We've all heard it before, and the people here are better informed than many, but when they come after the things you like, isn't it a little late to decide to be indignant?

I know it is tiring to keep hearing that the sky is falling, but if nobody was telling us, how many would notice?
 
UN and gun laws

As an Australian who has been screwed by our government's gun laws ten years ago, we became aware of the United Nation's intentions some years ago. If anyone has any doubts all they have to do is to to the UN web site and do a search for gun control.

The activities of the UN need strong opposition.
 
The Voice of Experience should settle it, hopefully. Thx, Daggit.

Redworm, The Dems are after my guns and my money and my land and my animals and how I educate my children and express my religious beliefs and seek to regulate or tax just about every other activity we engage in. The Repubs have a problem with the legalities of who screws whom and who murders their own unborn. Otherwise they are relatively Rights Friendly(if you even consider those things "rights", which they are not, and considering the further left you go within the Party the worse they get, true). Sorry, that is hardly "restricting every other 'freedom'".

The Dems offer nothing for any responsible adult. The Third Parties offer nothing because of their lack of organization. If nothing else the Repubs at least offer a slower road to hell. If buying time is the best we can do right now then so be it.
 
So what are you going to do - not vote? That will help.

Or are you going to vote for the antigun zealots - 95% of whom are Democrats - because of your hatred for George W. Bush? That makes even more sense.

Either way, if the antigun bigots win they will ram more antigun laws down all our throats - first up will likely be another "assault weapon" ban that will make the last one look like a Sunday school picnic.

When they do, you can take pride in the fact that you helped them achieve their goals, since you prefer that to voting for progun candidates.
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Yea because I've actually suggested or implied even once on this forum that I hate Bush or that I prefer voting for antigun candidates. :rolleyes: Perhaps I just understand that there's more to freedom and liberty than owning a gun.

Redworm, The Dems are after my guns and my money and my land and my animals and how I educate my children and express my religious beliefs and seek to regulate or tax just about every other activity we engage in. The Repubs have a problem with the legalities of who screws whom and who murders their own unborn. Otherwise they are relatively Rights Friendly(if you even consider those things "rights", which they are not, and considering the further left you go within the Party the worse they get, true). Sorry, that is hardly "restricting every other 'freedom'".

The Dems offer nothing for any responsible adult. The Third Parties offer nothing because of their lack of organization. If nothing else the Repubs at least offer a slower road to hell. If buying time is the best we can do right now then so be it.
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They are no more "rights friendly" than the Democrats. The Republicans are after more than just those two things which most conservatives would love to have a say over anyways. Republicans are also after your money and how you educate your children. They're also after your speech and your religion. They're also after your privacy and your guns.

The Republicans are no better than the Democrats in fighting for freedom. They both want larger government. They both want gun control. Fooling yourself into thinking that voting for the lesser of two evils is better than actually trying to make a difference in changing the system to get candidates that actually care about liberty is counterproductive.

Buying time is not the best one can do. That's simply the best conservatives want to come up with because they want to be the ones in control. It's not about fighting of tyranny, it's about being able to control the ones they find "morally deficient". Why would I want people to have guns when it's just as likely they'll use them to keep people from learning, marrying who they love, and speaking their minds?

They can enjoy the slow road to hell that they choose; I prefer to actually give a flip about the Constitution as a whole.
 
Hillary

Don't think for a minute that if Hillary runs in 08 she will lose. If she wins, don't think she wouldn't enthusiastically push for American submission to the will of the UN. One has only to look at the UN website to understand their position on gun control and to look at England and Australia to see their 'successes'. I was reading an interview yesterday with a 70 year old Englishman who just had his shotgun confiscated. The reason? He had been burglarized recently and authorities feared that if the intruders returned, he might defend himself and his property!!!

The UN has world domination as its goal and has been systematically pushing for the disarmament of the most powerful nations on earth. Lets not let America be next.
 
redworm, The conservatives want to teach our kids math and english, not, sodomy like liberals are today.

Our public schools and colleges are run by liberal educators. Just look at Califonia, a liberal experiment gone very bad in all ways, and getting worse. You must not care about the gun issue, maybe abortion is more important to you.

Your hate for bush has taken controll of your political judgment. The people are voting out gay marrige not the conservatives. In MN the dems just voted down a voter referemdum so we the people could vote out such silliness. Now we the people can't vote on this issue, so how's that for the dems snatching rights away.
 
redworm, The conservatives want to teach our kids math and english, not, sodomy like liberals are today.
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Untrue on both counts.
Our public schools and colleges are run by liberal educators. Just look at Califonia, a liberal experiment gone very bad in all ways, and getting worse. You must not care about the gun issue, maybe abortion is more important to you.
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They're run by educators. Maybe there's something to be the said for the pursuit of knowledge. Abortion is a very important issue to me, no more or less than gun control and free speech. It's all about freedom.
Your hate for bush has taken controll of your political judgment. The people are voting out gay marrige not the conservatives. In MN the dems just voted down a voter referemdum so we the people could vote out such silliness. Now we the people can't vote on this issue, so how's that for the dems snatching rights away.
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What hate for Bush? Y'all love putting words in peoples' mouths.

If the people were to vote out the right to bear arms you'd be ok with that? I still find it funny that y'all think human rights are limited only to what the BoR enumerates. That's not caring about freedom, that's wanting to be more powerful than those with differing opinions. That's not liberty, just tyranny of a different brand.
 
I still find it funny that y'all think human rights are limited by when you happen to travel the birth canal... :rolleyes:

Sorry, the Repub Party and most individual Repub politicos don't care where my kids go to school or what I do with my land or what I drive or how much money I make or what guns I own. They are friendly to small business rather than corrupt unions and multi-nationals. Their faults lie in the fact they have tried to go left in an effort to buy votes from the non-productive segments of society. They went left, towards socialism, where all the troubles and true quenching of freedom lie.

Review your positions, because they make no moral or intellectual sense,.
 
Schools and colleges are run by pro UN leftwing educators, they just hide behind the word education.

I see a little baby growing inside of mom, and they both have all the rights to safety, health, and happiness we do. You and the UN see something very different.

The UN couldn't care any less about our freedom, just our money, and how much they can get their greedy socialist hands on.

redworm, you and the left are just repackaging clicky left wing jargon like tyranny, bigots, etc. Tommorow the NYT will invent a new religous right wing conspiracy and you'll buy into, lock stock and barrel.

The people wouldn't vote out the 2nd, now your spinning.
 
I still find it funny that y'all think human rights are limited by when you happen to travel the birth canal...
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I don't. :confused: Try again.
Sorry, the Repub Party and most individual Repub politicos don't care where my kids go to school or what I do with my land or what I drive or how much money I make or what guns I own. They are friendly to small business rather than corrupt unions and multi-nationals.
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lol you're not talking about the same party I am. gg
You and the UN see something very different.
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again putting words in mouths

redworm, you and the left are just repackaging clicky left wing jargon like tyranny, bigots, etc. Tommorow the NYT will invent a new religous right wing conspiracy and you'll buy into, lock stock and barrel.
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political jargon is non-partisan. faith in a religion I can understand and have even had, but blind faith in a political party is dangerous.

The people wouldn't vote out the 2nd, now your spinning.
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then what are you afraid of?
 
Sleeping with the enemy

Don't think for a minute that if Hillary runs in 08 she will lose. If she wins, don't think she wouldn't enthusiastically push for American submission to the will of the UN. One has only to look at the UN website to understand their position on gun control and to look at England and Australia to see their 'successes'.
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Exactly. If she doesn't win, her army of lawyers will steal the election for her through the courts - like Gore attempted to in 2000.

The denial, twisted logic and faulty reasoning some people on TFL will engage in to justify voting for leftist/socialist antigun scum like Gore, Kerry and Clinton never ceases to amaze me.

This, from so-called gun owners.:barf: :barf: :barf:

Wake up, people!! If you want to keep your guns, stop sleeping with the enemy!!
 
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