Bob Wright
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aarondhgraham speaketh:
Aarond,
Do you have any Nambu revovlers? If so, what are their names?
Bob Wright
Aarond,
Do you have any Nambu revovlers? If so, what are their names?
Bob Wright
Uncommon revolvers
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aarondhgraham
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Nambu revolvers?
Nope, nary a one,,,
I didn't even know Nambu made a revolver.
Google is my friend,,,
Aarond
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Nope, nary a one,,,
I didn't even know Nambu made a revolver.
Google is my friend,,,
Aarond
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Bob Wright
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I looked up the Walsh revovler and found I didn't remember exactly the arrangement. All nipple were at the rear of the cylinder in conventional location, byt there were twelve for six charge holes.
There were two hammers and two triggers. Both hammers were cocked at once, I believe. Then the front trigger was pulled to fire the revolver, followed by pulling the second.
Bob Wright
There were two hammers and two triggers. Both hammers were cocked at once, I believe. Then the front trigger was pulled to fire the revolver, followed by pulling the second.
Bob Wright
If you're interested, Empire Arms has both a M1873 Chamelot-Delvigne as well as a M1892 Lebel that's been converted to .22 LR for sale.
http://www.empirearms.com/pistols.htm
The Walch had both nipples at the back. There was a long tunnel (partly showing as a bulge on the outside of the cylinder) from one nipple to the front charge; the other nipple fired directly into the chamber like any conventional percussion revolver. The shooter cocked both hammers; his first trigger pull released the right hammer to fire the front charge, the second pull released the left hammer to fire the rear charge. Sounds weird, but it actually worked.
The Japanese Type 26 (1893) revolver was a composite of different designs from Europe (especially the early Rast Gassers) and the U.S. (S&W breaktops) but Kijiro Nambu (1869-1949) had nothing to do with it. The .38 Special revolver made for Japanese police in the post-WWII period was named the "New Nambu" in his honor, but he had no role in its design.
Jim
The Japanese Type 26 (1893) revolver was a composite of different designs from Europe (especially the early Rast Gassers) and the U.S. (S&W breaktops) but Kijiro Nambu (1869-1949) had nothing to do with it. The .38 Special revolver made for Japanese police in the post-WWII period was named the "New Nambu" in his honor, but he had no role in its design.
Jim
Bill Akins
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Uncommon revolvers.
Treeby percussion revolving carbine. The Treeby was also a "chain gun" like the Josselyn, but it was nonetheless a revolver as was the Josselyn.
Revolving shotgun, I forget the name.
Josselyn type revolver. This one made in Russia. Also called a "chain" gun, but nontheless a type of revolver.
A 20 shot double barrel revolver. Also forget its name.
The below two are of a 30 shot double barrel revolver. Also forget its name.
30 shot revolver left side.
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Treeby percussion revolving carbine. The Treeby was also a "chain gun" like the Josselyn, but it was nonetheless a revolver as was the Josselyn.
Revolving shotgun, I forget the name.
Josselyn type revolver. This one made in Russia. Also called a "chain" gun, but nontheless a type of revolver.
A 20 shot double barrel revolver. Also forget its name.
The below two are of a 30 shot double barrel revolver. Also forget its name.
30 shot revolver left side.
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Bill Akins
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30 shot revolver right side.
20 shot revolver from the front.
20 shot revolver left side.
Mershon & Hollingsworth semi-automatic percussion revolving rifle.
Ezra Ripley's percussion revolver. It resembles the much later Gatling, but is a true revolver and does not "feed" cartridges but each barrel is loaded separately and then the crank in the rear is turned so that it raises a striker on a cam and then the striker falls setting off each barrel's percussion cap. It is obvious that Gatling just utilized the much earlier Ripley basic design and added a feed mechanism to it.
A photo and drawing used in the Josselyn patent, of the Josselyn "chain" gun revolver. You will note that directly under the photo, under the name "H.S. Josselyn", it even calls it a "Revolver". So whether called a "chain gun" or not, it was still a revolver.
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30 shot revolver right side.
20 shot revolver from the front.
20 shot revolver left side.
Mershon & Hollingsworth semi-automatic percussion revolving rifle.
Ezra Ripley's percussion revolver. It resembles the much later Gatling, but is a true revolver and does not "feed" cartridges but each barrel is loaded separately and then the crank in the rear is turned so that it raises a striker on a cam and then the striker falls setting off each barrel's percussion cap. It is obvious that Gatling just utilized the much earlier Ripley basic design and added a feed mechanism to it.
A photo and drawing used in the Josselyn patent, of the Josselyn "chain" gun revolver. You will note that directly under the photo, under the name "H.S. Josselyn", it even calls it a "Revolver". So whether called a "chain gun" or not, it was still a revolver.
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Bill Akins
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Another view of the Josselyn "chain gun" revolver. These types of "chain gun" revolvers were the precursors to belt fed weapons. I see no reason why a reproduction black powder revolver, or a modern revolver for that matter, couldn't have its cylinder removed and a "chain" charger or cartridge carrier installed in place of the normal cylinder and advanced using the same mechanism that advances the cylinder. Cumbersome? Of course, but what an interesting and unusual range toy it would be.
A patent drawing from 1980 for a gas operated double action revolver.
The Webley Fosberry top break, recoil operated, semi-auto revolver.
And a view of the Webley Fosberry with action unlocked.
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Another view of the Josselyn "chain gun" revolver. These types of "chain gun" revolvers were the precursors to belt fed weapons. I see no reason why a reproduction black powder revolver, or a modern revolver for that matter, couldn't have its cylinder removed and a "chain" charger or cartridge carrier installed in place of the normal cylinder and advanced using the same mechanism that advances the cylinder. Cumbersome? Of course, but what an interesting and unusual range toy it would be.
A patent drawing from 1980 for a gas operated double action revolver.
The Webley Fosberry top break, recoil operated, semi-auto revolver.
And a view of the Webley Fosberry with action unlocked.
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Glenn E. Meyer
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I recall that the Japanese made an updated SW revolver for their police
Minebea "New Nambu" M60
Couldn't find much info on it - seems to be a J frame clone.
Minebea "New Nambu" M60
Couldn't find much info on it - seems to be a J frame clone.
Jbar4Ranch
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48 shot revolver.
Andy Blozinski
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I got back from the range from firing my .357 magnum Rhino revolver and I keep forgetting how amazing the recoil profile on it is. There's no muzzle flip. It's easily more controllable than my Walther PPS with 9mm.
Mike Irwin
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I don't believe that Kijiro Nambu had anything at all to do with the Type 26 revolver.
Bill Akins
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Reliability wise, the chambers/chargers are just connected together via their flexible "chain" connection (hence the name) and their advancement movement wise is no doubt slightly different but in essence basically the same principle as the advancement of a more common regular type cylinder.
I.E. as the hammer is pulled back (or if double action....as the trigger is pulled), some sort of mechanism or pawl no doubt is used to push (against a cam on a sprocket that the chargers are captured by no doubt) and advance the next chamber into alignment with the barrel breech. As long as the "chain" connection keeps the same distance between each chamber/charger, the "timing" should be the same from charger to charger as to them properly lining up with the barrel before the hammer falls in double action or the hammer locks back in single action. So I don't foresee a problem with reliability "IF" the chain connection between chargers is always carefully kept the same distance.
Even if the distance between the chain connection of the chargers changed or was off by a couple of thousandths, it is possible that the sprocket rod (that is no doubt used that replaces a standard arbor) that grabs and advances the chargers, would possibly still grab and advance the next charger and align it correctly with the barrel. That would of course depend upon whether or not the design relied upon the chain connectors between the chargers for timing distance, or whether the design relied upon a pawl and cam mechanism and a sprocket that would capture the charger for advancement for the timing distance. Logic would dictate that the latter method would be the best to keep timing on. But I haven't been inside one so I don't know.
As far as "how would you carry it?", I haven't seen a holster designed for one, but logic dictates that you would have a holster that the rear of the holster was cut out to allow the "chain" of chargers to extend out the backside of the holster. No doubt you'd have to be careful when sitting down to make sure you moved the "chain" slightly outward to the side so it wouldn't scratch up or bang against the back of a chair. A holster could also be made that had an extension to its rear that enclosed the chain within the holster, (but obviously that extension would stick out as much rearwardly behind the wearer as just a naked chain sticking out rearwardly from a cut out in the holster.
But then if you carry a MAC submachine gun in a holster, its magazine sticks way out rearwardly behind the holster too. Same as carrying any semi auto pistol with an extended magazine. So there really wouldn't be any difference in carrying the chain gun in a holster than there would be in carrying a MAC subgun in a holster with its mag sticking out as in these below pics.
Three MAC vertical belt holsters. See how the mag sticks out to the rear same as a chain would?
Or perhaps the chain gun revolver could have been carried in a shoulder holster like this MAC shoulder rig.
So a holster no doubt could be used to carry it, but yes it obviously would be more cumbersome than holster carrying a normal non chain revolver. But then again you have vastly increased firepower. So it's a tradeoff between compactness and increased firepower.
You're probably right SDC. I thought that pic I had saved might have been for a tear gas gun, but wasn't sure that it wasn't also made as a shotgun too for riot use, like an early version of a "streetsweeper". Seems like I read that somewhere, but can't recall for sure. But tear gas gun or shotgun, it's an uncommon revolver.
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