Unbelievable, WA is now the first dictatorship in the US

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jonathon

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158714,00.html

WENATCHEE, Wash. — Chelan County Superior Court Judge John Bridges on Monday ruled that he found no evidence of fraud in last fall's Washington state gubernatorial election, upholding the narrow victory of Gov. Christine Gregoire (search), the Democratic candidate.

Bridges concluded that more than 1,600 illegal votes had been cast in the election, but said it would be up to Washington voters, not him, to fix flaws in the election system.

"Unless an election is clearly invalid, when the people have spoken, their verdict should not be disturbed by the courts," Bridges said as he announced his decision.

"This court is not in the position to fix the deficiencies in the election process," Bridges added. "However, the voters are in a position to demand of their legislative and executive bodies that remedial measures be taken immediately."

State Republicans said they would appeal to the state Supreme Court.

Attorneys for state Republicans and Democrats, as well as state elections director Nick Handy, gathered in a Wenatchee courtroom to hear Bridges' ruling on the challenge to Gregoire's election.

Gregoire won her seat by 129 votes against Republican Dino Rossi (search) after two recounts.

Rossi, a commercial real estate agent and former state senator, made a long-shot bid against Gregoire, a three-term attorney general who was the anointed successor to Democratic Gov. Gary Locke. But his promise of a fresh start in Olympia left Gregoire struggling to define herself.

Rossi won the first count by 261 votes, then watched his lead shrink to 42 in a machine recount. In a hand recount of 2.8 million ballots, Gregoire won by 129 votes, the smallest margin in percentage terms of any governor's race in the nation's history.

Republicans sued five days before Gregoire's inauguration and sought to have a new election held in November. They concentrated their investigation into flaws in the election departments in the Democratic stronghold of King County, the state's most populous county, which includes Seattle.

Their charges pointed to inaccurate mail ballot reports and county election director Dean Logan's admission that he didn't know whether the results were accurate within 129 votes.

Bridges agreed with Republicans that 1,400 felons voted illegally and 19 people counted among voters were actually dead on Election Day. Six people voted twice and hundreds of provisional ballots were counted without verifying voter registrations.

As a result of the difficulties, the state Legislature has passed several election reform bills this year, but has left many others on the table.

"This is the biggest mess I've ever seen," GOP attorney Dale Foreman said in his opening statement as the trial began last month. "The system is broken and it must be fixed."

Democratic attorneys said the GOP lacked the clear and convincing proof needed to justify overturning the election. The election errors that Republicans characterized as "sinister" Democrats described as innocent mistakes that happen in every county, in every election.

"It's not enough to show a mistake, it's not enough to show a bad mistake, and it's not enough to show a really bad mistake," Democratic attorney Jenny Durkan said in her closing argument last week.
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All I can say is, freedom took a major hit today.
 
Not from this decision.

The situation here has been ridiculous.

Now it's clear.

We live in a wonderful system of checks and balances, and our Governor is not a queen or a god.

Better to have a Governor than not, and a Democratic Governor isn't the end of the world.

It's certainly no threat to freedom.

Let us know when the first piece of sky actually hits the ground.
 
Gregoire won her seat by 129 votes against Republican Dino Rossi (search) after two recounts.
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Jammer Six-
are you serious? they say an election was legal even though there were 1600 illegal votes cast? if it was legal there would be a different person coming out ahead. that is not right and i agree with Jonathon. if we vote and a different person than the one who recieves the most votes wins is just like not voting at all.
 
Also, add in the fact that when the democrats finally got a winning count, they decided that it was time to stop. This was on the third count...

1600 illegal votes, 900 of which happened in king county(a heavily democratic county). 129 vote margin.. no matter who won, thats grounds for a new election right there...
 
Bridges concluded that more than 1,600 illegal votes had been cast in the election, but said it would be up to Washington voters, not him, to fix flaws in the election system.

"Unless an election is clearly invalid, when the people have spoken, their verdict should not be disturbed by the courts," Bridges said as he announced his decision.
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Ummm...

Don't those two statements kinda not make sense together? Maybe he just has a short term memory. Not to mention, the winning margin was one tenth the number of illegal votes cast?

For the WA residents, wouldn't a recall be an option?
 
Without having read the decision or heard the evidence its tough to comment, lets see what the appeals court does before we start raising cain

WilthelegalprocessAlaska
 
Without having read the decision or heard the evidence its tough to comment, lets see what the appeals court does before we start raising cain
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Yeah.. lets let a bunch of King County and Thurston County judges in the Supreme Court decide!

For the WA residents, wouldn't a recall be an option?
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I don't know.. all I know is I wish I could've voted in this election :mad:
 
jammer six:

Better to have a Governor than not, and a Democratic Governor isn't the end of the world.

It's certainly no threat to freedom.
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Is this from the perspective of a Democrat?

Just curious- I'm neither Dem. or Rep.
 
All I can say is, freedom took a major hit today.
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Not today so much as it did quite a long time ago. The WA laws and case law that made today's decision possible were put in place by liberals many years ago.

This judge did what judges are supposed to do. He read the pertinent law(s), and his finding(s) were based upon that reading. Unlike liberal judges who constantly are able to find things within the law that don't exist, Judge John Bridges demonstrated a phenomenal amount of judicial restraint. It isn't his fault that Washington law is rife with corruption.

The Revised Code of Washington (R.C.W.) is riddled with laws that make voter fraud both easy to commit as well as common place. Under the R.C.W. a voter's right to register to vote cannot be challenged by the people who work in the voter registration office. Dozens of the registrations in King county alone contain laughably false addresses, and yet nothing is done about it. And as long as Democrats remain in power here nothing will be done about it.

As Judge Bridges said in his decision, the law only asks that the voter be honest about whether he or she may vote. And while there are provisions to prosecute people who vote fraudulently, there are virtually no cases that ever get in to court. Voter fraud is now, and has been (as far as I can tell) treated as a joke in this state.

The R.C.W. also requires that ballots be treated as secret in order to preserve a voter's right to vote their conscience without fear of reprisal. In order to overturn an election the R.C.W. requires that the petitioner(s) prove that illegal votes would have changed the outcome of the election being contested. Without the illegal voters coming forward and saying who they voted for there is no way on Earth to prove that their fraud meets the requirements of proof to overturn the election. Even if all the illegal voters (there are at minimum tens of thousands of them) came forward and testified it would still prove nothing since they have already demonstrated that they are either felons, illegal aliens, liars, perjurors (and/or any number of combinations) who don't have any problem with voting fraudulently.

So in a nutshell WA law & Federal laws like "Motor Voter" - which alone is responsible for tens of thousands of illegal aliens on WA voter rolls - lend themselves to this type of rampant fraud. Add to that the countless liberal judges - appointed by the Democrats - who have established earlier decisions of case law that further support this fraud, and what we are left with is a corrupt system that really can't be expected to function in any other way.
 
i find this most amusing

controversy during the presidential election was attributed to 'sore losers'

now the shoe's on the other foot ...

ps i try not to let my political sensibilities be defined by a false left/right paradigm, so don't even ask
 
I don't ever recall Kerry being in the lead in OH. Furthermore, the admitted number of illegal votes didn't come anywhere close to the difference. If Bush won by 100,000 votes, and 1 million were admitted illegal, you can bet that I'd have a problem with that. The most I ever heard was about 10,000. Should that be looked into? Heck yeah. Even if those were found to be fradulent, would it have changed the outcome? No.

Now, 1600 voted being found fradulent in a race that was won by 130, those could very well change the outcome. IMHO, and race that ends up with a 100 vote difference out of millions of votes oughta be redone, anyways.

And to Fred, I didn't know that. I agree completely with you on that, if the laws are written that stupidly, then he ought be interpreting them that stupidly. Of course, they should have never been found constitutional that way anyways, and struck down when they were written.
 
if the results were to have favored Dino Rossi, would you have started this thread or would you have considered that the 'right' outcome?
 
Timeline in Wash. Governor's Race

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A chronology of events in disputed governor's race in Washington state:

Nov. 2: Election Day. Democratic Attorney General Christine Gregoire finds herself in unexpectedly tight race with Republican real estate agent Dino Rossi. Gregoire is up by 7,000 votes at the end of the night, with hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots yet to be counted.

Nov. 17: With all counties reporting, Rossi wins by 261 votes out of 2.9 million cast. State law triggers a machine recount.

Nov. 30: Machine recount shows Rossi the winner by 42 votes.

Dec. 2: Democrats declare they will seek an unprecedented hand recount.

Dec. 8: Counties begin recounting ballots by hand.

Dec. 13: Seattle's heavily Democratic King County announces discovery of more than 500 mistakenly rejected ballots. By week's end, the number grows to 723.

Dec. 17: Republicans win a judge's order blocking King County from counting the 723. With every county reporting but King County, the state's largest, Rossi holds 49-vote lead in the hand recount.

Dec. 22: Washington Supreme Court rules that the 723 King County ballots should be counted, a boost to the Democrats. King County's hand recount puts Gregoire up by 10 votes over Rossi - not counting the mistakenly rejected ballots.
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Just a tiny little bit of the history of this particular election. One might note that the AP convieniently neglected to mention that King and Snohomish counties (heavily Democrat) recieved permission to "enhance" ballots that the machines rejected for being unreadable. They also neglect to mention ballots that were added to the hand count after the initial certification of the first 2 counts by their respective counties. Meaning that the hand count was not a recount of the original ballots so much as it was a re-canvassing of the electorate. AP also neglects to mention that heavily Democrat Snohomish County managed to "find" 200+ unattended ballots under a coffee urn in one corner of one of their polling places. Those ballots - though unaccounted for - were added to the final count.

Add to that e-mails, depositions, and testimony (all presented as evidence in this case) in which election workers (all in Democrat controlled counties) admitted to falsifying election certifications, and one might see a pattern starting to form.

Strangely none of the Republican counties were able to "find" extra, or unattended ballots. On the other hand all of the Democrat controlled counties did indeed report problems of one sort or another. More curious still is the fact that the Florida fiasco had 3 Democrat counties as its epicenter. Hmmm.... :rolleyes:

if the results were to have favored Dino Rossi, would you have started this thread or would you have considered that the 'right' outcome?
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Oh, I think that if Republican counties had been the sole source of voting irregularities in this statewide election, then jonathon would have had problems with Rossi being found the winner. Just as I would. Of course Jonathon and I aren't nearly the political sophisticate you are. :rolleyes: :barf:
 
As a side note, typical of the AP, and, I guess, people everywhere, King County is not in Seattle.

Seattle is a city. King County is a county.

Seattle is in King County.

I know, it's just a detail, but no wonder... :rolleyes:
 
if the results were to have favored Dino Rossi, would you have started this thread or would you have considered that the 'right' outcome?
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No, it wouldn't have been right. An election is one by voters, not by dead people, for either party.

Jammer, the rest of the state calls Seattle and King County one and the same ;) Majority up there is a bunch of green peace snobs(not saying this about you of course)
 
That judge should be congratulated. I hope he is nominated for the federal bench. A true american hero that did not usurp authority or attempt to legislate by judicial decision. We need more judges to leave it up to the people. Outstanding!
 
redhawk41 said:
i find this most amusing
controversy during the presidential election was attributed to 'sore losers'
now the shoe's on the other foot ...
ps i try not to let my political sensibilities be defined by a false left/right paradigm, so don't even ask
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You mean 2001?
BIG difference there, Red. See, in 2001 there was a controversy. The Courts got involved. Somebody prevailed on a preponderance of evidence, despite claims on both sides and after a recount demonstrated a count that supported the outcome.

Here, there's (apparently) evidence of enough admitted fraud to have changed the election. Here (apparently) the Courts refused to get involved, claiming it's the Peoples' fault for not electing better legislators.

Ummmmm......why do we need a Judicial Branch then?
Rich
 
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