Jeff Thomas
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Alan Korwin does a good writeup on this in 'Gun Laws of America' - see www.gunlaws.com .
Regards from AZ
Regards from AZ
Unarmed Feds: Soon an Exception?
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TEXAS LAWMAN
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Every fed agency has an OIG -- Office of the Inspector General. While many OIGs are accountants/pencil pushers, some are "investigators" and are considered peace officers.
FEMA has 25 employees who carry a "Special Deputy U.S. Marshal" commission and accompany critical communications equipment during transportation.
Several U.S. Senators have a Special U.S. Deputy Marshal commission.
Many state game wardens are also commissioned by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.
And on and on and on!
FEMA has 25 employees who carry a "Special Deputy U.S. Marshal" commission and accompany critical communications equipment during transportation.
Several U.S. Senators have a Special U.S. Deputy Marshal commission.
Many state game wardens are also commissioned by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.
And on and on and on!
Eric Conaway
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis Olson:
Ag and HUD are armed as well, and can carry on commercial airlines.[/quote]
If the goverment officials can carry on airplanes we should be able to as well. If we can't carry aboard aircraft then no one should. After all they are our employees.
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Ag and HUD are armed as well, and can carry on commercial airlines.[/quote]
If the goverment officials can carry on airplanes we should be able to as well. If we can't carry aboard aircraft then no one should. After all they are our employees.
[This message has been edited by Eric Conaway (edited April 29, 2000).]
Eric sez:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If the goverment officials can carry on airplanes we should be able to as well. If we can't carry abord aircraft then no one should. After all they are our employees.[/quote]
Jim replies: Clearly you missed your dose of Robert Heinlein growing up. If you hadn't, you'd have known that in any sufficiently "advanced" society, "civil servant" is semantically equivalent to "civil master". Janet and the INS demonstrated this for you last weekend.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If the goverment officials can carry on airplanes we should be able to as well. If we can't carry abord aircraft then no one should. After all they are our employees.[/quote]
Jim replies: Clearly you missed your dose of Robert Heinlein growing up. If you hadn't, you'd have known that in any sufficiently "advanced" society, "civil servant" is semantically equivalent to "civil master". Janet and the INS demonstrated this for you last weekend.
Speaking of Alan Korwin, he will be a guest on "Gun Talk" (tomorrow on Sunday, April 30) heard on radio stations around the country. If you can't get him on the radio, go to www.guntalk.com and listen to the web cast. Tom Gresham will not be hosting, instead, SAF and CCRKBA leader, Alan Gottlieb will be guest hosting. I am sure he will have plenty to say on the lawsuit thing.
Rick
Rick
Let us not forget that at one time, for a while, the BATF had its own air force complete with missle launch capability, minigun mounts, and FLIR.
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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
TEXAS LAWMAN
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MONKEYLEG: I remember reading that Sens. Phil Gramm (TX) and Orin Hatch (ID) had the Special Dep. U.S. Marshal commissions and could carry in DC. I know of no list but it should be available under the Freedom of Information Act.
ERIC C: Any peace officer may travel armed aboard commercial airliners if they have a need (i.e. escorting prisoner, diplomat, etc). I have travelled armed many times. If I am not escorting a prisoner, I declare the unloaded handgun in my checked hardside suitcase (the 'steal me tag' goes inside the case).
BTW, peace officers, the military, and handicapped individuals having the use of only one arm (blade must be 3" or less) may carry switchblade knives anywhere in the US.
ERIC C: Any peace officer may travel armed aboard commercial airliners if they have a need (i.e. escorting prisoner, diplomat, etc). I have travelled armed many times. If I am not escorting a prisoner, I declare the unloaded handgun in my checked hardside suitcase (the 'steal me tag' goes inside the case).
BTW, peace officers, the military, and handicapped individuals having the use of only one arm (blade must be 3" or less) may carry switchblade knives anywhere in the US.
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
ernest2 - We are all aware of how well you can label Jack Booted Thugs. I'm sure you can not only see them coming from a mile away - but have your dogs trained to bark when they smell approaching kevlar.
Kudos to you.
But beware - You are becoming quite offensive in your near slanderous remarks. Not every Officer who dones Safariland Cover-6 body armour is a JBT, evil, or related to turtles or other reptiles. I am sure out of the 5000+ members here at TFL, more than several have worn said armour and take your words to be an insult.
Tone it down.
Kudos to you.
But beware - You are becoming quite offensive in your near slanderous remarks. Not every Officer who dones Safariland Cover-6 body armour is a JBT, evil, or related to turtles or other reptiles. I am sure out of the 5000+ members here at TFL, more than several have worn said armour and take your words to be an insult.
Tone it down.
There's also the U.S. Park Police Service which works alongside the Rangers. Veteran Affairs have the V.A. police, some of whom are now just being armed (they've lost quite a few to deranged patients). Lest we forget, there's the Federal Protective Service (those guys & gals in blue uniforms who are assigned to protect Federal buildings). U.S. Mint Police for those of us who are fortunate to have the Mint in town. Additionally, there are numerous agencies which also have special agents. Dept. of Interior (to protect Indian artifacts - "Drop the arrowhead, Scumbag!"), Transportation (which also has the Coast Guard), Labor (a few for pension fraud), and the list goes on.
If you are investigating/enforcing criminal law, you should be armed. I think we can all agree on that. Strictly self defense purposes.
The real question is, are the laws these agencies are enforcing constitutional? 90% of them are not, therefore the agencies themselves are not. That's the real issue.
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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
The real question is, are the laws these agencies are enforcing constitutional? 90% of them are not, therefore the agencies themselves are not. That's the real issue.
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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
Here's a question for police officers:
How are you trained to recognize the credentials of all these different agencies?
Suppose, for instance, that you make a traffic stop for a speed limit violation and when you walk up to the car, you see a loaded Uzi submachinegun with a suppressor sitting on the front seat next to the driver. The driver sees your eyes bug out a bit at the sight of the Uzi and he says, "Don't worry, I'm a federal agent", and then he slowly withdraws a badge and an ID card from the "Bureau of Special Investigations, US Department of Labor". Do you just say, "OK, no problem" and send the guy on his way (with a speeding ticket, of course
), or do you assume, since you've never heard of such an agency, that the credentials are fake and you're dealing with an armed criminal?
How are you trained to recognize the credentials of all these different agencies?
Suppose, for instance, that you make a traffic stop for a speed limit violation and when you walk up to the car, you see a loaded Uzi submachinegun with a suppressor sitting on the front seat next to the driver. The driver sees your eyes bug out a bit at the sight of the Uzi and he says, "Don't worry, I'm a federal agent", and then he slowly withdraws a badge and an ID card from the "Bureau of Special Investigations, US Department of Labor". Do you just say, "OK, no problem" and send the guy on his way (with a speeding ticket, of course
), or do you assume, since you've never heard of such an agency, that the credentials are fake and you're dealing with an armed criminal?Sometimes, for special circumstances, to deal with particularly gross problems,
We NEED THUGS.
Not always, and professional thugs should be pretty much despised.
But there are some jobs that a thug, jackbooted or no, can do better.
I seem to recall, Earnest2, that our friend George Hill had his life saved once by a Kevlar vest (with trauma plate.). Why do I suspect that it was "Safariland Cover-6 body armor"??
Sometimes good cops wear kevlar while they go about their righteous, responsible business. Piety and righteousness are not to be equated with vulnerability.
But I have always wondered about the silly ski masks. I tend to feel that that is your best identifier that you are being accosted by an evil-doer; he wears a mask. Like coward.
We NEED THUGS.
Not always, and professional thugs should be pretty much despised.
But there are some jobs that a thug, jackbooted or no, can do better.
I seem to recall, Earnest2, that our friend George Hill had his life saved once by a Kevlar vest (with trauma plate.). Why do I suspect that it was "Safariland Cover-6 body armor"??
Sometimes good cops wear kevlar while they go about their righteous, responsible business. Piety and righteousness are not to be equated with vulnerability.
But I have always wondered about the silly ski masks. I tend to feel that that is your best identifier that you are being accosted by an evil-doer; he wears a mask. Like coward.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>he slowly withdraws a badge and an ID card from the "Bureau of Special Investigations, US Department of Labor".[/quote]My father's ID, when he was a LEO in the USDA Forest Service, said "Federal Law Enforcement," and I guess it had the details in smaller print.
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