Unarmed Feds: Soon an Exception?

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Matt VDW

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Recently, after pondering the spread of armed enforcement agents thoughout the federal government, I started to wonder if there were any secretaries in Clinton's cabinet who don't command their own private armies. Here's what I came up with:

Department of Defense - Has the U.S. Marine Corps and miscellaneous groups in support. :D

Department of Justice - Has the U.S. Marshals, FBI, DEA, INS, Border Patrol, and probably others.

Department of the Treasury - Has our favorite defenders of freedom :rolleyes:, the BATF, plus the SS and the IRS.

Department of State - Probably has some sort of armed security agents - ?

Department of Energy - Has some sort of ninja troopers guarding their nuke plants, though these might be private guards under contract - ?

Department of the Interior - Probably has armed park rangers - ?

Department of Commerce - Probably has armed customs agents - ?

Departments of Agriculture, Education, HHS, HUD, Labor, Transportation, Veterans Affairs - All unarmed, as far as I know, though of course it's quite possible that that Agriculture, for instance, has its own squad of G-men to catch food stamp cheats.

Then there are some agencies, such as the EPA, that I know are armed (gotta clean up the environment at gunpoint, right?) but I'm not sure which cabinet secretary controls them.

Anyway, it's a little disturbing to think that while in 1800 the federal government had only a handful of departments of which only two (War and Navy) were armed, today there are 14 departments of which at least half a dozen are armed.
 
Matt...

Recall the story a few months back of the lawyer who had Geronimo's headdress and was trying to sell it?
Said headdress was a family heirloom presented to the guy's GrandDad from Geronimo.
Under the auspices of the Endangered species act and "trafficking in Golden Eagle feathers" it was seized from the guy in a SWAT raid...I recall the SWAT guys were a special Park/Fish and Game team.

So, the guy lost the headdress, plead guilty cuz he was afraid to fight in court, paid a huge fine, the Feds sold the headdress to a museum

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
State has the Diplomatic Protection Service, who are supposed to be as elite as the Secret Service. They just did a special on them on "The Inside."

As for the guy with the headdress, he gave in way too easily. That wouldn't hold up in court.
 
the GSA provides security services for many of those departments that do not have their own SS.....They are called "Federal Protective Officers" (I was once one right after I left active duty, but got a life)...

Now... I know that ALL HUD field service agents (as they are called) are all packing...While pulling a tour as an instructor in a USAR School unit.. several of our BNCO instructors were all HUD people and all but one packed....

I do not know if the office people pack...

can anyone name any other departments that have their own SS???
 
Department of State - Dip Sec Service is armed.

Department of the Interior - Probably has armed park rangers (correct)

Department of Commerce - Probably has armed customs agents (correct)

FDA and FAA also are armed.

Departments of Agriculture is also armed.
 
US Forest Service, part of dept. of agriculture, has always been armed. I don't think they have SWAT teams... alright Smokey, keep those paws in the air! When my dad was a forest ranger, he trained with other federal law enforcement officers. In the mid 70s, I think it was, somebody high up (maybe president) decided that having all of the forest rangers armed wasn't nice, so dad had to give up his revolver. After then, there were designated rangers who were the LEO rangers.

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Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
 
I heard that the Dept of Education has its owned armed agents (type unknown). Can anyone verify this?

In toto, 83,000 armed federal agents. That's 1660 per state. Enough to take over several large neighborhoods at a single time for weapons sweeps, etc.

The INS and USMService donated 151 agents for the illegal Elian raid. That says a few things. 1) These guys need those kind of odds to feel safe. 2) They can't be safe.

However, my own neighborhood has 225 homes in it (not including others outside the homeowners association). That is two agents for every three houses. That's pretty crowded but they would be dead meat if all homes took up arms. But they won't. Even if it got heated, perhaps 10% (on a good day) would be active. 25 good guys against 151 thugs, soon to be backed up by other thugs. Of course, they would have little cover. It would be costly, yes?

Rick

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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
Let's not forget the FAA, the FCC, and the new big one FEMA.

This bunch has so much power it's scarry.

Rick

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After the raid in Miami, I'm so proud to be an American I'm gonna go puke!
 
Egads! I knew that there were swarms of officers (to quote Thomas Jefferson) but I had no idea that there were so many. :eek:

Why does the Veterans Administration have its own police force?

Why do Ag agents carry weapons? If they're part of the Forest Service, OK, I can see why someone would want to be armed out in the woods, but shouldn't they be in the Department of the Interior?

And why the heck do we even have a Department of Housing and Urban Development, let alone armed HUD agents? (You'd think the very fact that it's unwise to visit a HUD housing project unarmed would make more people realize that HUD isn't doing a very good job.)

And the FDA and FAA... what's going on there?

I suppose that each of these agencies has made some sort of convincing argument for its police powers, but in the big picture, having this alphabet soup of armed bureaucrats running around makes it very difficult to maintain accountability. Heck, just keeping the BATF and FBI out of trouble seems to be more than Congress can handle.

:(
 
Are there any sources on these armed (pro-government) extremist groups. I'd really like a list of what agencies have armed agents and SWAT type teams. I think I could open a few eyes with this.(HE HE HE-evil grin)

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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
 
Dept. of the Interior includes Park Rangers (not all of whom are armed or authorized to carry), US Forest Service, and, by far the largest, the US Park Police.

EPA is, I believe, part of the Interior.

Customs has Customs Inspectors as well as Customs Police.

Transportation has armed inspectors and investigators, as well as FAA police, as well.

Don't forget the US Post Office, which has Postal Police and Inspectors.

CIA has armed police that guard their facilities.

DOE people are not all contract. They are also some of the most heavily armed in the event of an attempted take-over of a nuke plant or site.

Dept. of State has Diplomatic Protective Services. I don't know if Secret Service is part of them or not.

US Mint is guarded by Bureau of Engraving & Printing Police, which is part of Treasury.

The Smithsonian has a small contingent of people who are authorized to carry firearms. There is a firing range in the basement of one of the Art Museum buildings on the National Mall. Don't know who they come under, probably Interior.

I think actual enforcement and administration of Food Stamp programs is up to the states, not the Feds.
 
The Department Of Transportation has the United States Coast Guard and the last time I checked it was and is an ARMED service and the largest Federal Law Enforcement Agency
 
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Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
 
Uhhh, OK. So maybe the question is "Who's NOT armed?"

I remember hearing about Federal Railroad inspectors a while back too.

If the Dept. of Education is armed, that's it, I'm going out to buy some more guns tonight!
 
Boy, That sure is an awefull lot of

Jack Booted Thugs , as I perfer to think
of them or

MP5 armed evil black ninja turtles

as the politically correct brainwashed

here amoung us prefer to refer to them as.


A police officer, who has my respect,
does not wear a kevalar shell and ski or gas mask nor carry
a full auto select fire main battle rifle
backed up by a 40 plus man assault team.

The above are truely JACK BOOTED THUGS by every test and definition I can immagine.

A police officer, who has my respect, wears a uniform..... not kevilar....

and carries a handgun......not a bananna clipped machine gun

and does not wear a gas mask or ski mask

and comes during the day time and rings on the door bell and asks to come inside instead
of comming in the dark of night and breaking thru the door with a battering ram and pointing a machine gun in your and every one elses face.

There ARE JACK BOOTED THUGS

AND THEN THERE ARE POLICE OFFICERS.

KEVILAR & MACHINE GUNS = JACK BOOTED THUGS

Uniforms & hand guns = Police Officers

Get it?????

There are some on this board who have been getting to me on the JBT thing and I want to let them know , if I see machine guns & kevilar, I say Jack Booted Thug and when I see uniforms and hand guns, I say Police Officers.

This is the only distinction I will make ; basically, what my eyes tell me.

You can form your own opinions as you see fit; the above opinion is mine and I stick by it.

If it looks like a evil ninja turtle it is a Jack Booted Thug; if it looks like a police man ,it is a Police Officer, entitled to respect.

No Respect for Ninja Turtles or what they represent.


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[This message has been edited by ernest2 (edited April 27, 2000).]
 
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