Um, what if they try the gun-grab confiscations in TEXAS because of the new 'cane?

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blackmind

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I just got to thinking -- as I'm sure you all did -- about whether the authorities are going to try to take away civilians' guns in Texas (if the hurricane becomes a major major problem as it did in New Orleans et al), and whether people out that way will stand for it. (My guess is NOT.)

I hope it doesn't come to that, but I am undecided as to whether the goings-on in Louisiana emboldened the military and cops regarding gun confiscations, or intimidated them. I mean, I didn't hear any stories about people being ordered to give up guns, but who threw back lead instead. Did everyone who was ordered to surrender guns in N.O. do so? Did anybody say, "MOLON LABE" at all??

If my perception of things is right, there seems to be nothing -- apart from public perception in the news -- in the recent gun-grab experiences to make the authorities stand down and choose not to try another one.

What are your thoughts on the likelihood of another house-to-house gun grab?

-blackmind
 
"Embolden" cops and military? Like we are just gonna decide to start confiscating private property?

How many guns have been confiscated? How many arrests have been made?

I'd say the likelyhood of the same thing happening in Texas for no apparent reason is somewhere around zero.

The Katrina phenomenon is so far out of the ordinary that next to nothing is going to compare.
 
I am unaware of what Martial Law has to do with gun ownership here but I do know that Texians and Mexicans generally have guns someplace. If they don't declare Martial Law after the big Rita strikes I would guess the gun outcome would be similiar to the Texas/Mexico War of around 1836. Mexican Army sent word to the town of Gonzales that they wanted their cannon, Texians told them, "Come and git it", fired some cannon balls toward the Mexicans and the latter decided to move on to better and safer places.

Now Austin and Houston, den of herds of liberals might throw their firearms away as the French did when they saw their first German! Not the backbone citizenry, no way, Jose!
 
What gun confiscations are we all talking about. I just got called back from a nice 3 week vacation in NOLA and I never heard of anything remotely like this. In fact I was present when my Lt Col told another NCO that was all bugged out about an armed citizen that it was cool as long as the citizen did not make any threatening movement.

I personally saw quite a few armed neighbors and I was at ease with them and never even thought of releiving them of thier protection, the general consensus among the troops was that in the same situation we would be armed also.

Of course it helped that I, as well as my airmen, were armed to the teeth, and wore body armor.
 
disarm Bubba? :chuckles: As long as Bubba is being a law abiding armed citizen I betcha most officers are jes gonna walk right by him.

Possibly the only bonehead would be in Harris County/Houston

I seriously doubt we have any politican serious enough to do that...that would be political hari-kiri in the Piney Woods of SE Texas.
 
Sendec,

Just to find out, how many guns have to be taken before you will say that they are disarming citizens against their will?

I know of one right off the bat. And a pile of LEO's piling up on an 81 year old lady.

Is that enough? She may not have been arrested but her gun was stolen from her.

Or is that okay as long as she wasn't arrested, you know, just a big misunderstanding on the part of the LEO's :rolleyes: .

To answer the original question, I don't think that will go over big in Texas and would open up a can of whoop butt. But, they didn't do anything at Waco to help (cause he was a "kook" you know) so it is quite plausible that it could happen.

Wayne
 
sendec said:
"Embolden" cops and military? Like we are just gonna decide to start confiscating private property?
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Hmmm-
Has your Agency been mobilized for Texas? What was that Agency again?
If you Talk the Talk, sendec, you'd best Walk the Walk.
Rich
 
I have lost track of where I read of confiscations in N.O., but I have definitely read accounts. If I were to believe that there were no actual confiscations of civilians' guns on orders that "only the police will be allowed to have firearms," then I would have to believe that all the accounts I have read of and heard of (here and elsewhere) have been hoax accounts.

Sendec, when I mentioned "emboldening," I was talking about the fact that now that at least some "authorities" have confiscated firearms from non-misbehaving, law-abiding citizens protecting their own in N.O., and no one, to my knowledge, screamed, 'Molon Labe!' and shot at them rather than be disarmed. That might "embolden" or at least reassure the "authorities" that the next time they try to disarm the citizenry, that citizenry will dutifully allow themselves to be disarmed. And the idea of that sickens me.

Now, if people had lobbed a volley of lead/copper at any cops who had approached with the intent of taking away the very guns that had been used to defend life and property when those same cops were of no help at all, any cops who might think of confiscating guns in the future might be given pause.

But since the only such experience at this kind of endeavor yielded the result that people allowed themselves to have their guns taken, I can imagine only that the police will feel more confident about such actions if they decide to take them down the road (say, in Texas if a big one hits bad).

-blackmind
 
"I know of one right off the bat. And a pile of LEO's piling up on an 81 year old lady."

One does not a trend make, any more than extrapolating that one accident with a firearm makes them all "dangerous".

Is there any indication that this is more than a fluke and abberation?
 
I seem to recal a phrase that reads something like "one innocent man is one too many" which I very strongly feel applies here.
 
Now, if people had lobbed a volley of lead/copper at any cops who had approached with the intent of taking away the very guns that had been used to defend life and property when those same cops were of no help at all, any cops who might think of confiscating guns in the future might be given pause.
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How would we ever know? I doubt that information would ever make the light of day especially if cameras are being confiscated as reported earlier news releases. I would not be surprised if this whole thing winds up on snopes.com as an urban legend.
 
One riot, one Texas Ranger

Gun grabbing in Texas--they will need all the Rangers and then some. And some Rangers will most likely resign and start a few riots themselves. :D
 
sendec said:
"I know of one right off the bat. And a pile of LEO's piling up on an 81 year old lady."

One does not a trend make, any more than extrapolating that one accident with a firearm makes them all "dangerous".

Is there any indication that this is more than a fluke and abberation?
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*sigh* I guess I can always count on you to play devil's advocate when it comes to reasons to believe the police may have acted inappropriately. You are just a cheerleader for "the police can do no wrong." I really do wonder what it would take -- how many people's rights would have to be trampled -- before you stopped saying, "Oh, come on, it was just one or two cops, and one or two innocent people."

Something about the PUBLIC STATEMENTS MADE BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE MAYOR STATING UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT OFFICIAL POLICY WAS TO CONFISCATE ALL FIREARMS HELD BY PRIVATE CITIZENS gives credence to the notion that in any case where people had their guns taken from them unlawfully by cops, it was because it was POLICY, not an "ABERRATION."

Put the two together:
- a statement by the top local authorities saying that citizens will not be permitted to have guns
- several instances (at least one of them filmed and broadcast on nationwide television) in which citizens were arrested by police and stripped of their guns

What the hell do you call that?
When the two are taken together, they equate to cops confiscating guns by policy because they are under operational orders to do so.

How on earth can you call any gun confiscations that occured "a fluke" when they said they were gonna do it, and then they did it?


-blackmind
 
I think the amount of people that 'need killin' will be taken to a whole new level. :D

Seriously though I don't think any politician in TX is dumb enough to try it.
 
After I first heard of the “confiscations” I emailed a friend who is a Federal LEO and deployed with his team to New Orleans. He just recently returned and replied with the following:

I wouldn't put much stake in the confiscations, it doesn't jive since most of the property is abandoned or flooded. Looters taking guns from all the abandoned homes are a more real concern, the precedent had already been repeatedly set for them taking guns and running amok.
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Before anyone replies with, "Yeah but what would you expect a Fed to say?", I’ll add that this individual is very pro-gun, a nationally known custom gunsmith, and someone whom I personally trust.

Time may be better spent praying for those who are in the path of the storm, instead of speculating what may happen in Texas based on what may have never occurred in N.O.

Denny
 
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Arbitrary gun seizures, without warrant or probable cause, have been reported during the past three weeks since the Crescent City was devastated by the hurricane. In cases reported to SAF, police refused to give citizens receipts for their seized firearms. Earlier, SAF insisted that police account for all seized firearms, disclose their whereabouts, and explain how they will be returned to their rightful owners. Authorities have not responded.

Gun confiscations have been highly publicized since the New York Times quoted New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III, who said, "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," and ABC News quoted Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley stating, "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons."

For example, a San Francisco, CA camera crew from KTVU filmed one incident in which visiting California Highway Patrol officers tackled an elderly woman identified as Patricia Konie, to seize her pistol and forcibly remove her from her home. An ABC news crew accompanying an Oklahoma National Guard unit filmed another incident in which homeowners were handcuffed and disarmed, then released but without their firearms.
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Nope - no fluke, no aberration.
Think the authorities wised up though and backed off eventually.(?)
 
Even the "mainstream media" has shown videos of the "reported" confiscations being done that "don't jive" with weapons at the ready, breaking down doors, etc, where the citizens were at home, handcuffed, abused, on their own property, breaking no laws, owning legal arms, and on and on. There is no doubt what happened unless you don't believe your own eyes. Those acting under "color of law" may wish to review their oaths and the implications of the use of the "Nuremberg Defense". Since Texas has tradition, legal precedent, and reasonable laws that allow force to protect your property, it probably won't happen in that state. Still, taking no bets.
 
So Blackmind, how many guns have the mayor and police commissioner caused to be confiscated? Two?

These are politicians who will pay the price that all politicians pay when they get stupider (sic) than normal. Is this really the first time you've heard a politico say something assinine? Do you actually believe what a politician says? I can only imagine the eye-rolling in the NOPD when this edict came down from on high. And you take the media accounts for granted? All of a sudden they are reliable and trustworthy?

I dont think the police need an advocate cause I doubt many are taking any of this seriously. They have their hands full trying to do minor things like strain corpses out of the gutters and rebuild their own homes. From the little I know about NOPD the commissioner and chief cannot get their guys and gals to wear their hats, let alone abrogate the Constitution.

And be careful about that "one is too many" argument. That's the same logic antis use whenever there is an accidental death or some other tragedy. Before your bowels get into too much turmoil you may want to determine if this is a problem of substance or more empty bellowing by a talking head whose career dissipation light is bright crimson.
 
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