UK: Student's Gun Crime

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STUDENT'S GUN CRIME

A STUDENT found with a loaded and cocked shotgun after a tip-off was jailed for five years yesterday.

Mohammed Khan, 25, said he kept the double-barrelled sawn-off shotgun under his bed after being attacked.

But Judge Richard Bray told him: "There's absolutely no legitimate purpose for possessing such a weapon."

Police also uncovered a pistol, extra ammunition and cannabis in his room at University College Northampton's halls of residence.

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At Northampton crown court, Khan admitted possessing a firearm.

Microbalrog Asks: FIVE YEARS?!
 
Five years is the minimum sentence for firearms-related crimes. A sawn off shotgun would be illegal on either side of the Atlantic, as would any firearm on a university campus (at least it is here).
 
Let us hope that some day that judge will be unarmed, helpless, and unable to summon assistance when he wakes to find an intruder standing in the doorway of his bedroom.

"No legitimate purpose for possessing such a weapon," indeed. :mad:



Does anybody truly think that it's wrong to wish upon judges like this the kind of harm that their decisions force us to be subject to?

I say, that if a person willfully denied me the right to have a life jacket on a boat, he should die by drowning.


Someone who denies ameliorative medicine (like marijuana) to a dying cancer patient should die of a painful cancer.


If someone denies me the right to have a gun, he should die at the hands of an attacker in a situation where having a gun would have saved him. And I make no apology for feeling this way.


-blackmind
 
Quite right.

Someone who denies ameliorative medicine (like marijuana) to a dying cancer patient should die of a painful cancer.


If someone denies me the right to have a gun, he should die at the hands of an attacker in a situation where having a gun would have saved him. And I make no apology for feeling this way.


-blackmind
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Cannot argue that at all. Well said.
 
Now before everyone starts splitting hairs etc, I am in favour of having the tools to defend myself. However, firstly, like it or not, the events took place in a country where guns have to be licensed. His did not appear to be. Sawn off shotguns are illegal there (partially due to their popularity among armed robbers a few years back). Secondly, no one mentioned anything about the attack in the article - where it was, why, and what happened. Thirdly, I am in favour of meeting force like for like. A gun may have been inappropriate. I guess lastly think of how much you'd like it if the nervous guy in the dorm room next door to your kid had an unlicensed gun with 2 layers of sheetrock between them.
Blackmind, I share your sentiment, but thats a little harsh
 
Barely related I know, but some of you may find this interesting. The rest will have a ball. Anyway, remember this is about the removal of illegal weapons from the streets, not a US anti-gun site or anything like that.
http://www.stoptheguns.org/media.php
I guess I should start another thread, but educate me, what is being done about illegal weapons in the US?
 
I guess lastly think of how much you'd like it if the nervous guy in the dorm room next door to your kid had an unlicensed gun with 2 layers of sheetrock between them.
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If my kid was forced to be unarmed for some reasonI would hope he would befriend the guy with the gun and start a informal neighbor watch program.
Assuming the guy's only crime or criminal intent was firearm ownership
 
educate me, what is being done about illegal weapons in the US?
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They arrest the ones they catch The ones that they don't catch they trade them cash or sneaker shoes for their guns.

Plus some try to classify some guns as so-called AWBs, to create more illegal guns
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to remove classes of guns, just remove them from criminals' hands.
I'd forgotten about the sneaker deal. I thought that was Brazil.
Good answer on the other question, though I'm not sure I agree.
 
Actually in Fla we have the 10 20 Life sentancing which has supposedly reduced gun crime to the lowest point in 30 years, by targeting the gun criminals not the guns

There are also school programs such as Eddy the Eagle in many areas to teach gun safety to kids
I'd forgotten about the sneaker deal. I thought that was Brazil.
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We've got a lot of Brazilians here, maybe that's where they got the idea
 
chorlton wrote:
Now before everyone starts splitting hairs etc, I am in favour of having the tools to defend myself. However, firstly, like it or not, the events took place in a country where guns have to be licensed. His did not appear to be.
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If free speech had to be licensed, and someone got arrested for engaging in it without a license, wouldn't you be saying that regardless of whether "events took place" to outlaw unlicensed speech, people should not have to petition the government for the right to speak?

In other words, I don't care that he ran afoul of the laws that are, because those laws should not be. Once upon a time, they would not have arrested and convicted you of a crime for enslaving a black person. Was it therefore "right" to keep slaves -- just because it was expressly legal?


Sawn off shotguns are illegal there (partially due to their popularity among armed robbers a few years back).
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Ever stop and question why they should be considered any more dangerous and ban-worthy than any other non-illegal firearm? From my perspective, they are less accurate over anything but a relatively short distance, therefore they are much less versatile and therefore much less desirable for crime.

I am in favour of meeting force like for like. A gun may have been inappropriate.
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Um, does this mean you think it's "unmanly" to defend yourself with a gun when your attacker has "only" a six-inch hunting knife? :rolleyes:

If the force being brought against you qualifies as "deadly," then any form of deadly force is justifiable to meet it, and I don't care if it's a .38 spl revolver or a Barrett .50BMG.

I guess lastly think of how much you'd like it if the nervous guy in the dorm room next door to your kid had an unlicensed gun with 2 layers of sheetrock between them.
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I'll defer to Joab's statement regarding this issue. He said what I would have.

Blackmind, I share your sentiment, but thats a little harsh.
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Well, in keeping with my promise, I make no apology for it. Why should a person who would consign me to DYING HELPLESSLY deserve any less himself??

-blackmind
 
You have no need to apologise. This is the internet after all. You seem a little tense tonight. We can agree to differ, its cool.
 
I guess lastly think of how much you'd like it if the nervous guy in the dorm room next door to your kid had an unlicensed gun with 2 layers of sheetrock between them.
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No problems at all. Although, out walls are about a foot of solid plaster.

My biggest problem with weapons in dorm rooms, it reall becomes either a theft or stupidity issue. At least where I stay, people are in and out of each others rooms all day. My roommate had friends I didn't know. All it takes is one stupid one, or one malicious one, and you are in a world of hurt. It is just not a place where I feel that you can keep your weapon safely secured at all times.

Now, I kinda wished they would let us keep a safe in our room, instead of the basement, for when I was out of the room.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to remove classes of guns, just remove them from criminals' hands.
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Honestly, does anyone here think that this will ever be accomplished? Look at the UK and other countries where gun ownership is banned, did the criminals just go away? No, crime got worse.

Why do we think that giving up any Rights to own whatever we wish is going to make all this go away? We can't own machine guns/ short barreled rifles/shotguns, silencers, etc.. without the TAX stamp. Yet has that done anything to crib the use of by the criminals? No (here or elsewhere).

The only reason that the machine gun, short barreled shotguns/rifles, silencer "bill" works is because it's cost prohibitive, as in, basically banned (no new machine guns after '86). If someone out there could start making the short barreled shotguns, rifles and silencers in bulk at lets say $150 per, you would get a great amount of people buying even with the additional $5 to $200 added costs. And yes, more criminals will get their hands on them due to either getting a "cleany" to buy them or steal them. They will always have the means to get guns, banned or not.

Lets face it, no matter the government regs, no matter your state regs, no matter the feely touchy regs of the u.n., guns are a fact of life. They can't be uninvented. Criminals will always have them, no matter what. The best and only thing that we can do as a country and the best thing for the world is to put these guns into the hands of the good guys, who will and can lessen the world of the bad guys.

Wayne
 
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