(UK) Gang fires shots in court to free prisoners

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Oatka

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The Brits always claimed moral superiority because they banned guns so they would not become the "Wild West" like in America.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003232817807441&rtmo=fqasYYls&atmo=ooo oo0Qb&pg=/et/00/8/4/npris04.html

Gang fires shots in court to free prisoners
By Michael Fleet

TWO prisoners escaped from a magistrates' courtroom yesterday when two gunmen burst in and fired shots into the roof.

One man had a shotgun and the other a pistol when they entered the courtroom in Slough, Berkshire, where three men faced burglary charges. Four shots were fired as court officials and members of the public ducked for cover. Two of the prisoners, Ricky Loveridge, 22, from Feltham, south-west London, and Richard Hurley, 19, from Wraysbury, Berkshire, pushed past private security guards and ran from the court with the gunmen.

A plain clothes detective who tried to stop the getaway was pistol-whipped by one gunman and was treated at the scene for cuts. The incident lasted less than a minute and the men escaped in a silver Subaru Impreza. Both men have gipsy connections and local camps were being searched by police yesterday.

Last night, police arrested a 22-year-old man near Maidenhead, Berkshire. He was being interviewed by detectives on suspicion of being unlawfully at large. It is thought the men burst into the wrong courtroom first and then went into the correct one seconds after Loveridge and Hurley had been brought up from the cells.

The gunmen were wearing police-style fluorescent jackets and caps, and pulled balaclava masks over their faces. An accomplice in the getaway vehicle wore similar clothing. Supt Brian Langston, of Thames Valley Police, said the armed breakout was "completely disproportionate" to the scale of the offences.

The charges are believed to relate to burglaries of commercial premises in Berkshire. Both the escaped defendants were on remand, Loveridge at Bullingdon jail, Oxford, and Hurley at Reading Young Offenders' Institute. The third man in the dock, Terry Downs, made no effort to escape.

The vehicle, with the registration plate M817 GGT, headed for Windsor and is thought to have been driven on to the M4. There were reports that as it joined the motorway shots were fired into the air. A police helicopter crew helped the search for the vehicle and police appealed to the public and criminals for assistance to trace the gang.

An uncle of Ricky Loveridge pleaded with his nephew to give himself up. The man, who did not want to be named, said: "I wish he would come back and get himself sorted out. I think he will because he was just probably pumped up from the situation. He's not really that way inclined. As a guess, I would say he's been pulled along in the heat of the moment." "

A spokesman for the Crown Prosecution Service said lawyers had been preparing to apply for the men to be further remanded in custody at the hearing, but there had been no concern about security at the court.

Bill Miles, the assistant clerk to the justices at the court, said: "One police officer was hit with a gun butt, but thankfully no one else in the building, whether they be staff, magistrates, other court users or members of the public, was injured." A full investigation and security review will be held.

Richard Wareham, who was sitting outside the courtroom, said he saw the gang burst out. "It was all over in seconds," he said, but he was "still very shaken". Majinda Singh, 21, who was due to appear before magistrates after Hurley and Loveridge, said there was chaos as the gunmen charged into the room. "It was absolute madness. It reminded me of the film Heat. Me and my mate ducked for cover."

There were no police in uniform in the court room, but a private firm, Premier Prison Security, had two men in the dock and two more in the court. The company said: "The defendants were not handcuffed. It is not normal for prisoners to be handcuffed in court unless the magistrates or ourselves specifically request it."

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2000.

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For a really interesting site, check out http://www.gun.demon.co.uk/blairsafe3.htm

It lists on a day by day basis, with links, all incidents involving firearms use/abuse in the UK from Jan. 1 to date. fascinating insight into the mess over there.

Here's just a sample:

JULY
2nd - Double shooting in Toxteth , Liverpool

5th - Those nasty handguns again , this time in a robbery (beats me where they're all coming from , after all weren't they banned !)- Armed robbery in Ruislip

6th - "Neighbour arrested after man shot dead"

8th - Air guns in the North-East

10th - Two women shot dead in greater Manchester - Killer hangs himself

14th - One man shot dead and one injured and under armed guard in hospital

17th - Dunbar, Scotland, A teenager has been accidentally shot in head by his stepbrother. Police have confiscated a .22 cal rifle while they investigate.

20th - London, N16 - Handguns used in armed robbery

20th - Toxteth, Liverpool. Two men shot in double shooting in same street as earlier in the month (see 2nd July)

22nd - Wembley , NW London. Jeweller shot and killed by robber

24th - Armed police shoot gunman

24th - A man has been arrested after shots were fired in Speyside , Scotland. It has been alleged he was in possession of a .22 handgun and a .22 rifle.

(source: Aberdeen Press & Journal)
26th - Teenager dies after shooting accident - (see 17th July)

27th - Reports of shots from a handgun being fired at police near Croydon

29th - Shooting in Birmingham

31st - Mass shooting outside Peckham nightclub with automatic weapons, 8 injured

31st - Shot fired at Luton Court


[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited August 03, 2000).]
 
This doesn't help the cause.

Just another case of the people of England, already paranoid of guns, seeing another unlawful use.

The bans on these weapons are further justified.

"Look, now ONLY CRIMINALS have guns - thank god the rest of us don't!!"

Battler.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Supt Brian Langston, of Thames Valley Police, said the armed breakout was "completely disproportionate" to the scale of the offences.[/quote]

Somehow I'm not surprised by this ludicrous comment. It betrays the same stupidity that Chamberlain demonstrated during his negotiations with Herr Hitler.

IOW: Shame on those armed intruders! Don't they know that criminal activity must be conducted with a due sense of proportion? How dare they refuse to commit crimes according to the rules! :rolleyes:

Maybe England needs a Ministry of Crime to regulate thuggery and make sure it plays fair.

Anyway, the incident sounds to me like the courtroom equivalent of a home invasion. In England, of course, criminals can simply assume that the occupants will be defenseless.




[This message has been edited by jimmy (edited August 04, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A police helicopter crew helped the search for the vehicle and police appealed to the public and criminals for assistance to trace the gang.[/quote]

Oh yeah, the criminals are just going to be lining up to help them! This kind of absurdity is to be expected from a "pity the poor criminal" culture. This is what we have to look forward to if this country doesn't get some sense.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Originally posted by Battler:
<"Look, now ONLY CRIMINALS have guns - thank god the rest of us don't!!"
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Anyone else feel that it's finally just the right moment to invade Britain and have a jolly good time?



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LowClassCat
Always willing to calculate my chances
 
Once the unarmed police find them, what are they going to fight the armed gang members with?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I think he will because he was just probably pumped
up from the situation. He's not really that way inclined. As a guess, I would say he's been pulled along in the heat
of the moment." "[/quote]
Oh no it isn't his fault, he is only an innocent victim of a cruel childhood or some crap right? Give me a break!
 
This report must be in error.

Everyone knows that due to strict laws regarding firearms in the UK that something like this just could not happen!

Skyhawk
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monkeyleg:
"He was being interviewed by detectives on suspicion of being unlawfully at large."

What is that???!!!!
[/quote]

He overindulged on Fish and Chips.

The british are a prime example of what happens when the gene pool is a small inflatable back yard jobber with rancid water in it. Kind of like the backwoods, cross-eyed, bucktoothed banjo players from "Deliverance". Only difference being that those people had the good sense to stick to the banjo, while our british friends decided to play politics.


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Taz, lol

Most British people are not idiots by any means, far from it. They just are absurdly niave of their situation. I have met many Brits who hated and despised guns and have never seen one, and many of them came over here and spent a few hours at the range and only leaving when the range closes, or they run out of ammo. Most of them leave with a sad expression on their face :)

They are stuck in history, they still wear those stupid wigs in court, and they have basically the exact same government they had when we overthrew them way back when.

I love British people, but they've got a lot of problems, just like we do, only their problems are more a fact of full-fledge socialism, while ours are a full-out attempt towards communism by large masses of idiots. God help us all, both countries need a wake-up call.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
So what are you saying, if they hadn't banned handguns this wouldn't have happened, or are you suggesting that we give all our cops guns so they can waddle around shooting people reaching for their wallets (a la Amadue Diallo) like US cops do on an all too frequent basis. We like to be pulled over for speeding without being Weavered.

By the same logic, the ban on hard drugs is a failed policy because, hey, look at all the illegal hard drug use.

I couldn't type long enough to list all the murders, shot kids, high school shootings and gun accidents (sorry morons like to call that Darwinism here don't they).

Stick to screwing up your own country you and leave mine alone. (voluntarily amended, name calling should be left to adolescents).

Mike H

[This message has been edited by Mike H (edited August 06, 2000).]
 
MikeH, I totally agree. The war on drugs IS an abject failure, as is your country's utterly stupid and immoral ban on handguns. Glad you are so enlightened as to see that.
Oh, and I have a feeling that soon someone will be saying to you "check your email."
:D
 
Stick to screwing up your own country you dumb jerk and leave mine alone.

No problem. You've done a good enough job on your own, as a society.
 
I mean you talk about Anarchy, do you ever read your OWN newspapers. The Militias, Timothy McVeigh, Ruby Ridge, the armed enclave at Waco, the White Supremisists camp at Redneckville, Ohio or wherever it is, your city riots, the ranchers in Arizona who are organising armed hunts to capture Mexicans crossing the border - for fun, your morally bankrupt leader, that vacuous idiot George W.Bush who appears ready to take you all into another period of global insanity, if by comparison the sad and now slightly bonkers Britain has anarchy, long may it continue.

As for "Check your e-mail", I've been called far worse than a jerk on here recently for taking a stand against the garbage some of you peddle as the truth. I may be unique in so far as I'm English, I like to shoot, and I will stick up for my country in the face of what I can only describe as some pretty unsavoury bigotry. So if the moderators are just itching to bar me, I have some threads I'll be asking them to take parallel action over, so a few of you can expect mail too.

The Average UK Citizen, if there is such a thing, hates guns, period, understand this and move on with your lives. They compare our 4 shootings per week with your 4,000 and guess what, they're happy with it, and why shouldn't they be, it does after all seem a pretty reasonable state of affairs. Something American shooters don't seem to understand is that there were almost no legally owned handguns in Britain BEFORE the ban. Those who did once own a cartridge handgun just shoots blackpowder revolvers now anyway, and they are quite happy with that. So the number of handguns has remained essentially unchanged, only the method of loading has altered, it's just that there are no automatics anymore. Perhaps now you'll begin to understand why I can't understand what your incessant bleating is about.

Mike H
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>They compare our 4 shootings per week with your 4,000 and guess what[/quote]

They are halluecenating that's what. We dont have anywhere near 4000 shootings per week. also, our stabbing rates are MUCH lower than those of the UK. Also, the UK has been caught recently fiddling with their crime statistics, so who knows how bad things are. That's the price you pay for not living in a representative republic. Yeah, you get to vote, but the parties choose which candidates run in which areas, and the house of lords is a stupid idea. How can you defend this system? British people aren't stupid, I know that first hand, I've got friends that are British. Why must you frantically defend your system simply because it is England? Big deal, I live in America and make no excuses for how downhill things have gone. We need to overhaul our government too, because it's heading right towards the state your's is in.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
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