Uberti SAA questions

Honestly, tho I love the idea of a much safer and proven idea of the transfer bar. THo, when i went and handled the berreta and Rugers, they didnt sound right. I found and held a Taurus Guacho, and it felt and sounded right. I love the idea of 4 clicks and transfere bar safe. Only problem with that gun, was the name of the manufacturer that makes it.....Taurus. I havnt trusted them since the disasturous ownership of a pt945.(nothing like having your magazine base plate/spring/bullets fall out the bottom of your gun during firing, did it on all the issued magazines. i sold it immediatly afterwards)

If only someone else had made the guacho and put it through a assembly line that actually has some quality control and puts out quality guns. Looks like if i want truly safe, i have to either settle for 2 clicks or 3 clicks... damn depressing.
 
Instructions in a Colt brochure, undated but likely ca 1880:
"The pistol should be carried habitually with the hammer resting in the safety notch
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This is a true thing that often gets glossed over. The notch was put there to replace the safety pins between the chambers on the percussion revolvers and was clearly intended as a safety. The mid 1960s ruger booklets that came with Blackhawks and SBHs said that it was safe to carry fully loaded and on the safety notch "In most cases." Somewhere along the line, people began to find out that single actions with six loaded sometimes went off-either because the trigger nose or safety notch broke away when struck or because the dude lowered the hammer all the way onto a primer.
Five shots is the way to go with traditional lockwork

The cimarron /Uberti Model P of current manufacture doesn't have the rube goldberg hammer mounted safety. Instead, it has an import- standards -meeting extra long base pin with an extra notch. You can push it back and lock in in place in the front notch to block the hammer. I don't remember who used this system first but, its been around since shortly after GCA'68
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I just got through shooting a couple of Cimarron Model Ps in 32 and 38wcf back to back with first generation colts in the same calibers. The cimarrons are virutally indistinguishable from the originals in handling. they were a bit tight and rough to begin but after a box of ammo and some handling, they were very smooth and well timed. The 32-20 had a little end shake but, I lightly peened the front of the cylinder bushing and removed that. both guns are accurate:
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The color case treatement on the frames of these two revolvers is much prettier than some earlier examples of the Cimarron Model P. I don't know if there has been a general improvement or we just got lucky.
 
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I figure another source of ADs (and lawsuits, these days) is the "false half cock". If you ease the hammer down and don't let all the way off the trigger at the right time, you can stop the hammer with the lip of the notch against the trigger sear instead of the undercut of the safety notch. Very little is required to pull or knock it off from that position and with modern sensitive primers...

I think it was Elmer Keith who related griniding both the safety and half cock notches off a SAA hammer. He said it was easy to hold the hammer at the half cock position to reload and you didn't need the safety notch if you loaded five. He said removal of the notches made it less likely the trigger sear would snag and chip with a light trigger pull.

I think ASM originated the long base pin "safety." I have one on a Cimarron made when they were getting guns from ASM instead of Uberti. It is absolutely worthless except for gaining import points.
 
It is absolutely worthless except
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One gem I heard when I got my Buntline Scout in 1959 was to put the gun on half cock or safety notch from the hammer down position rather than lowering it from full cock to half. This was to avoid setting it as a hair trigger on either of the notches. Somehow I missed the importance of loading only five rounds for several years.- No incidents before I got the word. A guy I went to highschool with didn't get the word. tossed a flattop ruger across the room, hammr hit somethiing and he got shot right between the eyes.
 
So current manufacture cimmarons and ubertis dont have the safetynotch activated hammer bar.. wow. Thats news to me, Then CImmaron needs to update there website a little bit. They have a manual page, were you can get the manual for there SAA and in it they say there guns have the hammarbar. Hmm looks like im stuck with either 2 clicks(ruger) or 3clicks(stampede). I wont consider the taurus.
 
the model Ps don't anyway. It seems like no two uberta saas are made the same. some have the hammer mounted thingamajig, some have a leaf type hand spring while the model ps have coil/plungers of a couple of different types. some have leaf trigger bolt springs and others have the round wire ones. Looking at their parts diagrams can be confusing.
 
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