Uberti 58 Army -inserting cylinder
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Yes I know. There's a definite knack to it. I wasn't pulling the hammer back far enough to ensure the bolt was clear before dropping or inserting the cylinder. That caused the bolt to scratch up the cylinder, especially when I was putting it back in. Live and learn! I now know exactly how far to pull the hammer to keep the bolt from scratching the cylinder, but have many more years experience now. Never scratched another cylinder since that one, but I'm not trying to do the pale rider speed cylinder swap and fast draw much any more either. I'm sure that had something to do with the scratches as well...
Don't modify the hand, try this...
I have posted this a few different places in the past, so forgive me if I am repeating myself. I modified my conversion as well as my bp cylinder. Use a small file and make a groove for the hand to move through. It's a simple mod that will make you look like a pro.
I have posted this a few different places in the past, so forgive me if I am repeating myself. I modified my conversion as well as my bp cylinder. Use a small file and make a groove for the hand to move through. It's a simple mod that will make you look like a pro
.I was too thinking. The hammer hand had a sharp point on the tip. I only filed just a tiny to get the burr down. It cocks in all 3 positions much better than when it came from the factory. Now the Piettas we have had always retracted the hand back so cylinder went in and was not blocked by bolt or hammer hand. I do know that my 2nd gen colt peacemaker does not and always took a little twisting. Zullo might be right but we had a customer that wanted the other uberti and he was fairly knowledgeble and he too didn't like the struggle of how that cylinder didn't go in easy. He did (THANK GOD) bought another one.
It shouldn't be this difficult . Either from a stupid operator or mechanical design. The protruding hammer hand is not user friendly. Yeah, I can put it in. But I want customers to be able to without problems. It is case hardened from frame-top strap and backstrap-beautiful
WBH
WBH
It shouldn't be this difficult . Either from a stupid operator or mechanical design. The protruding hammer hand is not user friendly. Yeah, I can put it in. But I want customers to be able to without problems. It is case hardened from frame-top strap and backstrap-beautiful
WBH
WBH
I just (a few minutes ago) took cylinder out and put it back in easy. This gun was built tight. And-when I took it down there was an enormous amount of BP residue that had to be cleaned along with much thick factory oil and grease. After 4 times removing, it fits so much better. Maybe the Uberti people shot it alot and just packed it back down with ozs of grease
But anyway, thanks for the input. This is a gun that has to be broken in big time but I like it. You understand that I try to sell retail and was mad that I struggled with it. I didn't want customers to struggle. I learned. Thank you. But-I still think that hammer hand needed a lttle honing. Go on Taylor & Co web and check out their Rem selection. That's how I found it. I would consider selling my 2nd gen peacemaker to one of you. Pics are on older thread.
You see, many people come in that have never handled a BP revolver. I stock essentials but unless they are like you they get mad if they have problems. I still have an issue with this Rem cylinder thing. I can't tell them everything in yalls head and explain breaking em in. But I did find out that the Uberti instruction manual says nothing about how to put the cylinder back into the frame - Nothing! Nor does Pietta. OH well----
Thank You. I'm sure I'll run across a new problem soon. Hope you are there for me
WBH
But anyway, thanks for the input. This is a gun that has to be broken in big time but I like it. You understand that I try to sell retail and was mad that I struggled with it. I didn't want customers to struggle. I learned. Thank you. But-I still think that hammer hand needed a lttle honing. Go on Taylor & Co web and check out their Rem selection. That's how I found it. I would consider selling my 2nd gen peacemaker to one of you. Pics are on older thread.You see, many people come in that have never handled a BP revolver. I stock essentials but unless they are like you they get mad if they have problems. I still have an issue with this Rem cylinder thing. I can't tell them everything in yalls head and explain breaking em in. But I did find out that the Uberti instruction manual says nothing about how to put the cylinder back into the frame - Nothing! Nor does Pietta. OH well----
Thank You. I'm sure I'll run across a new problem soon. Hope you are there for me
WBH
I insert the cylinder on the left.
Starting with the hammer in the down position, after I barely begin to cock the hammer, the cylinder will slip right in. Once it's in, I bring the hammer to 1/2 cock which holds the cylinder fairly centered and in place for the base pin to be inserted.
Then I'll usually push it out through the right side.
If I botch the insertion by cocking it too quickly for the cylinder to slip right in, I'll just fully decock and start over again.
The key for me is to start to barely cock the hammer simultaneously with inserting the cylinder.
So there appears to be different methods that work, and mine is a Pietta.
Starting with the hammer in the down position, after I barely begin to cock the hammer, the cylinder will slip right in. Once it's in, I bring the hammer to 1/2 cock which holds the cylinder fairly centered and in place for the base pin to be inserted.
Then I'll usually push it out through the right side.
If I botch the insertion by cocking it too quickly for the cylinder to slip right in, I'll just fully decock and start over again.
The key for me is to start to barely cock the hammer simultaneously with inserting the cylinder.
So there appears to be different methods that work, and mine is a Pietta.
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Zullo you are right-I think. Art-you are right too. What is missing here is being able for all you guys to hold this gun and do it. After 4 or 5 tries the cylinder slipped in easy at 1/2 cock rotating it clockwise. It certainly did't before. I thought it was just real tight and needed a little loosening. I was real happy. I shot 18 rounds and after complete cleaning and lubing, the cylinder would not rotate in to position. Easing hammer, 1/2 cock trying from right-- then left etc. I finally took a rubber mallet and poped it on its right side and it snapped in. It has to be that the hammer hand is not retracting all the time when trying to rotate cylinder in. I called Bill, at the store, and he couldn't rotate cylinder(on the other uberti) in and gave it a small tap w/mallet and went in.
Hey it started rotating in great until i fired it. As by last post, I wonder if heat expanded something. Look, I have had rems before and I know they are tricky but this uberti has a passion for not doing what you all say.
Hey it started rotating in great until i fired it. As by last post, I wonder if heat expanded something. Look, I have had rems before and I know they are tricky but this uberti has a passion for not doing what you all say.
Sport's Warehouse in Thornton, CO had both the Uberti and Pietta Remington NMA. The Pietta was thirty bucks cheaper, but the fit and finish on the Uberti made it worth the price.
Mine shoots roughly seven inches low at 30 yards. Have had it to the range twice with the same results.
The shot groups are a bit scattered, but I've not had a lot of practice with hand guns. I tend to be a bit to the right with one hand, and to the left using two hands. More practice is obviously in order.
Have to admit, I'm more than a little nervous at the thought of filing down the front sight.
Mine shoots roughly seven inches low at 30 yards. Have had it to the range twice with the same results.
The shot groups are a bit scattered, but I've not had a lot of practice with hand guns. I tend to be a bit to the right with one hand, and to the left using two hands. More practice is obviously in order.
Have to admit, I'm more than a little nervous at the thought of filing down the front sight.
I am going to send gun back to Taylors and have gunsmith fit it. That's one good thing about them, they'll do it. If you like these, I'll work a deal and send w/ minimal drop off charge and 15% above my cost. Just like Zullo says-I do things w/out thinking and usually I throw things that make me mad into the pond! but I like this gun!!!! I think they offer it for 361? Let me know
WBH
WBH
arcticap said:
I have an unfired Euroarms Remington and the tip of the hand protrudes just enough with the hammer in the down position that it also blocks the cylinder from being inserted from the left. So I was forced to insert it from the right and it basically went in the same way as when I insert it from the left on my Pietta.
But the tip of the hand is what made all the difference. I don't know if it would wear down enough over time to allow insertion from the left or not.
sandman_nv
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well, i am glad to read that i was not the only one having this problem, though mine is a R&S. thanks to the fine suggestions posted here, life is now easier
still not as good as Mr. Eastwood in Pale Rider though
still not as good as Mr. Eastwood in Pale Rider though
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Got both Rems back from Taylor & Co. Both cylinders roll in at 1/2 cock as smooth as moon beams. I'll ask Monday what the problem was. Before getting answer, I still guess that the hammer hands were too long and were not fitted by factory properly. ONE thing here--if you order from Taylors and have a problem-their gunsmith, Tom, will take care of it pronto and gun action will be better than ever in most cases. They take real good care of their retailers and customers.
WBH
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