Uber Bans Firearms - Petition Started

I worked (err contracted) with a delivery service years ago. Most of those drivers are in for a rude awakening come tax time.
Not only are they paying their own gas, maint, The super high Business Insurance, Do they even have health ins?? Bet not.They will also have to pay the companies side of the SS tax. Thats 6.5% and will sure take a bite out of the fun.

Now if they are using a vehicle that they are making payments on. ( I am sure they are. Companies put min requirements on what you can drive)
That vehicle will be completely wore out long before it even gets close to being paid for. So they will need a new one while still owing 1/2 the old one.
You do not get fleet prices when you buy. Your buying close to full retail.
Blow a tranny..Your out of work till it gets fixed. This is were accidents will come in. You cant fix the brakes until you have money to fix the brakes. So you chance a unsafe vehicle.

You can make a living. Just not any were near what they think when they are told they get to keep 65% of the fare. Min wage pays more MUCH more.
You try to make it up by working like a dog. A tired dog, have to run 80 hour weeks just to stay on top of it.

Crappy way to make a living. Works out great for the company.
Nothing to maintain, No employee issues. All profit.

So that cheap ride is being subsidized by that driver who will still be paying for your ride two three years after he quits. Or at least until the bill collectors quit calling and skip tracing.
 
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I understand that Government can be that stupid, but taxi drivers?
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Actually, many taxi companies ban employees from carrying firearms in cars. Some states and cities have laws on the matter as well.
 
Actually, many taxi companies ban employees from carrying firearms in cars. Some states and cities have laws on the matter as well.
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That's really not the point. The point is: why would Taxi drivers (Uber included) advertise "GUN FREE ZONE" on their vehicles. You might as well tell the criminal "FREE MONEY AND CAR, COME AND GET IT".
 
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I worked (err contracted) with a delivery service years ago. Most of those drivers are in for a rude awakening come tax time.
Not only are they paying their own gas, maint, The super high Business Insurance, Do they even have health ins?? Bet not.They will also have to pay the companies side of the SS tax. Thats 6.5% and will sure take a bite out of the fun.

Now if they are using a vehicle that they are making payments on. ( I am sure they are. Companies put min requirements on what you can drive)
That vehicle will be completely wore out long before it even gets close to being paid for. So they will need a new one while still owing 1/2 the old one.
You do not get fleet prices when you buy. Your buying close to full retail.
Blow a tranny..Your out of work till it gets fixed. This is were accidents will come in. You cant fix the brakes until you have money to fix the brakes. So you chance a unsafe vehicle.

You can make a living. Just not any were near what they think when they are told they get to keep 65% of the fare. Min wage pays more MUCH more.
You try to make it up by working like a dog. A tired dog, have to run 80 hour weeks just to stay on top of it.

Crappy way to make a living. Works out great for the company.
Nothing to maintain, No employee issues. All profit.

So that cheap ride is being subsidized by that driver who will still be paying for your ride two three years after he quits. Or at least until the bill collectors quit calling and skip tracing.
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It's depressing. For a while, I have always thought people like Pizza delivery drivers got ripped off because they have to supply stuff like their own car, gas, insurance and maintenance for the privilege of working a low paying, dead end job. I'm sure most Pizza Delivery drivers aren't allowed to carry weapons but they may not have to pay things like the Social Security tax and may have options for health insurance.
 
That's really not the point. The point is: why would Taxi drivers (Uber included) advertise "GUN FREE ZONE" on their vehicles. You might as well tell the criminal "FREE MONEY AND CAR, COME AND GET IT".
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Same reason many businesses do. They think it is a better idea and safer than having people with guns. It is their fantasy. Plus, they don't subscribe to the fantasy of many pro-gun folks that criminals will fear random encounters with possibly armed gun owners and hence not attempt a robbery.
 
This would matter nothing to me whether I was just an Uber user or an employee. How could they know? Excluding using a firearm to save your life, while using your car as a taxi, what could they possibly do. Random strip searches? And if I do save my life with my CC while using as a taxi, I don't think anyone is going to cry about losing their job with Uber.
 
I would imagine that Uber's policy is less a desire to prevent their contract drivers from keeping firearms in their vehicles than a desire to indemnify themselves from possible liability should things go wrong. They can say it was against their policy and that they have no third party or vicarious liability for anything that goes wrong.
 
1) I'm not telling I'm CHL'ing
2) I'm in Texas
3) If they don't post a legal 30.06 sign as required by Texas Law, (and it is large) the law makes it pretty clear that part of their contract is invalid
4) the minimum size of the sign is based on contrasting 1" letters for specific wording: most signs are > one square foot.
 
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I would imagine that Uber's policy is less a desire to prevent their contract drivers from keeping firearms in their vehicles than a desire to indemnify themselves from possible liability should things go wrong. They can say it was against their policy and that they have no third party or vicarious liability for anything that goes wrong.
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In the race to planet stupid, we have a winner. Trouble is, I think this methodology is lawyer based, not based on case law. If an employer does nothing, then their employees and customers are protected by the laws of the land. If they post 30'06 signs or make policy, then they are liable for how they changed the law through policy and endangered their employees and customers.....I think I sees me a lawsuit brewing. THAT is the advice lawyers should be providing their clients!
 
I'm pretty sure the "ban" will be ignored by drivers and riders alike (most of whom don't carry anyway). If you get caught, they ban you from using their app :rolleyes:

The timing is interesting; right after an Uber driver with a legally-carried gun stopped a mass-shooting. Uber is tacitly saying this was a bad thing; their liberal ideology (or their corporate risk management) is more important than the lives of the people saved. I suspect they didn't really think about what they were saying.
 
If they don't post a legal 30.06 sign as required by Texas Law, (and it is large) the law makes it pretty clear that part of their contract is invalid
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The presence or absence of a 30.06 sign is irrelevant. It simply provides a means by which a person can be convicted of a crime by violating it.

On the other hand, Texas is an at-will state when it comes into employment. Uber can fire a driver for carrying a weapon, regardless of whether or not a sign was present.
 
I drove for Uber for a few months before I figured out that it was costing me money (Except on the big party nights, I could turn 3-400 dollars on nights like New Years Eve and Halloween, otherwise I was just wasting my time and gas) and always carried. If I was still driving for them I'd still be carrying, you do have a lot of freedom as a driver, the company is never going to inspect, and I wouldn't be upset if I got fired for using my CCW.

Interesting side story; the cab drivers in Boulder hated Uber with a passion, when peak hours were hitting they'd take the $5 cancellation fee and send us on fake calls a few miles outside of the city to get the competition out of town.
 
Interesting side story; the cab drivers in Boulder hated Uber with a passion, when peak hours were hitting they'd take the $5 cancellation fee and send us on fake calls a few miles outside of the city to get the competition out of town.
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Awesome!!! I would have done that too. I would have you running all over.

Ultimately, all those guys who used to make a living driving will get forced into that model to try to survive. Bit by bit the professionals will move on and the whole thing will just turn into a mess.
 
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