U.S. Navy ship rammed, four sailors killed.

Wrong URL bud:
http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/topnews/ap144.htm

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
Coming soon to a theater near you - Wagging the Maine.

Watch as Willie sends the Rough Riders halfway across the globe to distract us from the slaughter of his VP. Hmmm, I must need more coffee. My centuries seem to be blending together. Should be interesting the spin put on it. Doubt if Al will claim inventing Zodiaks though.

Greg
 
Coming soon to a theater near you - Wagging the Maine.
>Watch as Willie sends the Rough Riders >halfway across the globe to distract us >from the slaughter of his VP. Hmmm, I must >need more coffee. My centuries seem to be >blending together. Should be interesting >the spin put on it. Doubt if Al will claim >inventing Zodiaks though.

Greg:

Even if he wanted to, Clinton has so destroyed the military that he has no
forces to spare for such a mission. Further, his sending American troops into harm's way because of his own corrupt policies would simply enrage the public.
 
They wouldn't have put a dent in the Iowa, New Jersey, or Wisconsin.

They just don't build them like they used to. The good ones go to the scrap yard or become memorials that are out of reach of 90% of Americans.

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Well, the Wisconsin did cost in excess of 1 million a day to operate when they recomissioned it....

What I don't get is the pointlessness of this attack. It didn't really kill very many people, and didn't have any clear message other than "watch out". Do you think these idiots thought that they could sink an armored US naval vessel with such a crude attack? It all seems so incredibly clumsy. Do you think that the terrorists behind this really are that dumb?

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dangus:
Well, the Wisconsin did cost in excess of 1 million a day to operate when they recomissioned it....

What I don't get is the pointlessness of this attack. It didn't really kill very many people, and didn't have any clear message other than "watch out". Do you think these idiots thought that they could sink an armored US naval vessel with such a crude attack? It all seems so incredibly clumsy. Do you think that the terrorists behind this really are that dumb?
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*That's* the part that *really* `bothers' me! I'm almost to the point of believing that there's something else behind this whole thing *other than* a `terrorist attack'. Also, from what I've caught here and there via various `media', the `gummit's' `response' seems too `tepid'. (Or is that `insipid'?)



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My suspicion is either it was a failed attack not carried out with as great of care as it should have been, or it was a probing attack to see if we were vulnerable and to test our resolve.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
My fear is this.. We are now moving our ships out to sea away from any ports. What is THIS is what they want for some reason. Some of these countries do have nukes. But they would not want to trash thier own ports, or those of thier allies.
 
And of course, Osama Bin Laden, the Muslim boogeyman, has been mentioned in the wake of this attack.

So, if Uncle Sugar zeroes in on some of the great minds behind this tragedy, is he going to launch more missles and bombs (and provide the anti-American forces out there with more political ammo against us) or put aside the pyrotechnic and ineffective Hollywood strategies and personally deliver death to the miscreants?
Jeff
 
Bin Laden is a media creation to some extent. They want to put a face on terrorism and pretend that killing him would end it all. Bin Laden is a lapdog for Iraq, Iran, even Saudi Arabia, countries with a deep-seated, and often unexplainable hatred for the US(though Iraq I could understand). Now we have this pissant country Yemen blowing up our ships, and government officials immediately after the fact trying to downplay the signifigance, and trying to say it must have been an accident inside the ship.

I think we've been far to nice to the American hating middle-east, some object lessons may be necessary here soon. I for one am sick of bomb scares and risks of chemical weapons attacks, or hijacking of aircraft.

The one positive of all this is that if we make enemies of all these countries we may FINALLY get Ethanol into mainstream use, and then lay off the heavy oil dependance. If we'd stop making these madmen rich the world would be a much safer place.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
Flaim, those countries may be nuts, but they'd not resort to nuking our ships, they are VERY aware of the fact any one of them could be erased from existance by our vastly superior nuclear arsenal. They know quite well how suicidal that would be.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
I guess I'll be the one to say it: Let's keep the families of the 17 murdered sailors in our thoughts and prayers :(

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Former USMC

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As to the effectiveness of the attack and the "placement" of the bomb, I think I have an answer.

If you look at the closeups of the ship, you'll see two chocks up on the main deck right above the hole in the side. That would be the place where the attacking boat tied up prior to detonating the bomb.

And the 17 people who died and the 35 or so who were wounded probably wouldn't classify this as "clumsy" or "pointless". Neither would their families.
 
Of course they wouldn't, but not being able to remove emotion from this for the sake of analyzing it does no good.

It really was a rather silly attack from a strategic standpoint. It didn't really achieve anything. It didn't stand a lot of chance of sinking the ship, and it didn't kill very many of the crew. I'm just a bit curious as to why they didn't employ a bigger bomb. This one was effective, but they could have easily sunk her if they'd thought it out well. So, that's why I have to wonder if this is accidental, or simply a miscalculation.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
You're trying to ascribe "reason" to a bunch of Islamic people bent on a jihad. It won't work. Anything they can do to bring even the slighest bit of damage or humiliation to the United States is seen as a good move from their perspective. The fact that we are an ally of Israel is more than enough of a reason for them to attack us.

Thus, blowing a hole in the side of one of our warships, taking it out of service for what will likely be up to a full year, and killing what amounts to 5% of the crew is more than a small success for these folks.
 
I think we need a 10 for one policy. For every American that is killed by a terrorist attack we should take ten terorist from prison and drop them from an airplane without a chute. I have nothing against the general population in that area but I think it is time we draw a line in the sand and say enough it enough. I am tired of watching good Americans die because our goverment has no backbone and is willing to bend over for every third world wannabe terrorist goverment.
 
Drop exactly which terrorists? The PLO just released a good bulk of the monsters.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dangus:
Drop exactly which terrorists?
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I think we could start with Yasser himself.

M1911
 
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