U.S. Gov't. position: We The People are EXPENDABLE

Blackmind,

Handy and Sendec have most likely thrown in the towel. They knew they won't change our minds, and they are steadfast in theirs.

So basically, both Handy and Sendec have decided not to go round 2.

Shame through, it was fun, good debate. Over 6 pages and handled very civilized by all parties.

Bravo TFL members, bravo.

Wayne
 
I just dont feel like going round and round when it is obvious we are at an impasse. Agree to disagree, never the twain shall meet and all that.
 
Despite the continued head butting, one might note that there was some accomodation of views in parts of this thread.

Don't worry, Wayne, I'm not counting you!
 
I guess we can agree on one thing:

We'd better hope that there's an Air Marshal on the plane when we fly. No one else is gonna be able to do squat, because of irrational (and as yet unsubstantiated) fears of what will happen when some irresponsible armed citizen shoots out the one and only cable that controls the elevator.


"I am the only person on this airplane, that I know of, professional enough to carry this Glock .40 to defend y'all's lives..." :rolleyes:

-blackmind
 
I would really love for Handy to elaborate on this:

"How is giving an individual the ability to risk the lives of hundreds or thousands not a restriction on THEIR liberty?"


I mean, is he asserting that people have a right to be safe? Even to the point that the .gov has to take away rights from others to supposedly make them safe?

Where is the "liberty" to not have airplanes "rain down" on us enshrined, exactly? Is it written into the Constitution anywhere?

Where does one come up with a claim that people's liberty is jeopardized by my right to carry a gun and my exercise of that right?

-blackmind
 
Blackmind,

They have given up, threw in the towel, moving on (now we're debating the virtual crime thingy and I actually looked at Handy's side of the argument and I think that I'm beginning to understand him :o ). edited to add: ;)

I think that this thread, 8 pages plus, is dead.

Wayne

*Edited: It was bought to my attention that a member wasn't happy with my choice of words. Out of respect to this member, I have edited my comment and have removed the offending verbiage.
 
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Sendec
Forgot to mention that I have not taken the "flying while armed" class that the FAA requires all cops to do before they can carry on board. Without this class no LEO, regardless of level or agency, can carry on board.
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Speaking of the all-knowing all-seeing FAA - I'd like to know why all this wasn't a problem prior to the 1960s.
 
Speaking of the all-knowing all-seeing FAA - I'd like to know why all this wasn't a problem prior to the 1960s.
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I am not sure when it became a problem, but possibly D.B. Cooper had something to do with the culmination of it? That was 1971.

Cooper's crime also was unusual in that it helped rally critical support for sweeping air travel security initiatives, including passenger screening. Until D. B. Cooper's skydive, it was entirely possible to walk aboard a jet carrying a bomb.
From an article By David Krajicek: http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/scams/DB_Cooper/

The 1960s and early '70s were the heydays of hijacking. More than 500 incidents of air piracy have been reported around the globe over the past 70 years, and about two-thirds of them happened from 1960 to 1973.

America has suffered its share—115 successful hijackings in 225 attempts against commercial airplanes owned by U.S. firms, according to the federal Transportation Safety Administration.

El Al became an industry leader in airline security by screening passengers, posting armed guards on its flights and equipping cockpits with armored doors. Political hijackers then began focusing on other airlines that serviced Israel, including a number of American air carriers. In 1970, Palestinians achieved the landmark coordinated hijackings of three jets—one each from TWA, Swissair and British Airways. The planes were diverted to Jordan, emptied of passengers and crew, and blown up. (Many terrorism experts view that hijacking as a blueprint for the deadly attacks of September 11, 2001.)
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Just out of curiosity, are you going to let people carry concealed on international flights? Most likely, it is not legal at the destination. What about flights to states, or that even lay over in states, that don't recognize the right to CCW?
 
Perhaps an amendment to the FOPA, which is supposed to protect us as we pass with guns through places that treat them as illegal. If I am driving to Vermont from Florida, I am entitled at least to have my guns, to bring them with me.

While I realize that this is not the same as being entitled to carry them through the prohibitive states, perhaps some accommodation can be made for people who will be remaining within the confines of the airport as they wait for their connecting flight.

-blackmind
 
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