Two AR questions

Jim I can understand your needing a more accurate rifle for the praire dogs, but it makes no sense to say that same rifle couldn't be used on coyotes and if he wants a rifle for both he now has to turn to a bolt action.......please explain why the more accurate AR shouldn't be used on coyotes.:confused:
 
rjrivero


Palmetto-Pride
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The OP asked...............................................................................

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First, which manufacture makes the most accurate AR out of the box?
(and i answered: January 14, 2012 08:27 AM
BPowderkeg for piston rifles the best you can get is from LWRCI.

http://www.lwrci.com/)


I have both also and I would have to lean toward a DI system at least with my experience.
(that's great ! now please tell me, with your experience with AR's that you are seeking that ever elusive one hole group, i am NOT, i once was into precision bench rest shooting but now, i am just content with being able to keep all my shots, 20 round strings, in a 6 " group of my aiming point which is a 1 1/2" red stick'em target)

as for leaning, i'll take whatever i first touch when the need to defend my family arises
 
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Originally Posted by Palmetto-Pride
Piston ARs tend to be less accurate than DI ARs
this is pure BS ! i have pistons and DI's, i see no difference in accuracy, even IF you are shooting for half MOA groups, the original M16/AR and their imitators are made mostly for killing the enemy/home invaders at 500 yds. or LESS, it don't mater that the enemy is hit in the head when shooting for body mass, BUT most M16/AR's will hit body mass when aiming for it, which makes MOA, piston or DI irrelevant.., to the enemy/home invaders, dead is DEAD !!!

below is an example of some real crappy machining, i would like to know who made this mess ? whom ever posted that photo should be ashamed to allow us experienced AR "mechanics" to view such crap !

agree.., disagree ??

I agree with Palmetto-Pride. (that's OK !) The DI AR is inherently more accurate than the piston design. (what proof do you have, have you personally run an accuracy test on several AR makers of each piston or gas AR ? neither have i, but i do have two piston guns and two gas operated AR's from different makers, they all perform to my expectations.., that's all. ) The strait lock up helps with that, I have no doubt. The real issue is does it matter to the shooter? For a battle rifle, it may not make any difference. For a match rifle, it DOES make a HUGE difference.

I don't recall the OP asking for opinions on a battle rifle, nor do I recall the op asking for opinions on a match rifle. He was asking for the Most Accurate out of the box, and that is the DI design. (your opinion or the hacks who write up phantasy land "every thing about this gun is perfect" type.., just show me the proof, but you see, that is impossible to happen, because proof to me is you shooting both gas vs piston in front of me to witness)

As for the "crappy machining" does it really matter if it's a nicely finished cut away? Does it make the point, or does it not? It's not my picture, (no doubt, i believe you are smarter to claim it as yours, you posted it so i believed i had the right to criticize it) but I wonder what the value (what is the value ? if i were to educate anyone about anything i would have good training aids, not something that would give the impression that every bolt carrier comes that way.) is of criticizing someone (please.., recognize the difference between "someone" and "something" thank you.) who is making an effort to educate folks who would really like to see how the workings of Eugene Stoner's design works because it's not a nicely finished show piece.
 
Most accurate is probably, as Kraig said, a custom upper or something like a LaRue Stealth or a Noveske Varmint.

Like he said

Piston, maybe RRA though you would have to look (not sure what their accuracy gurantee on the pisons is). Not that familiar with the desinge.

RRA does guarantee 3/4 MOA in the stainless barrel series which includes the Coyote Pursuit, but that is DI.

You can get a Robinson Arms XCR, its a from the ground up designed as a piston. Awfully good setup and gun. Fairly accurate to very accurate, but does not hold good 5 shot groups (3 yes and some good sub MOA which might meet your need).

Generally a DI that is intended for accurate work is better than a gas piston as the DI is free floating.
 
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