Tulammo russian ammunition
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I really like gun myths. You know like"steel cased ammo will hurt your gun". The two fired test cartridges that came with my last two Glocks were Wolf steel.
Half of the world uses steel cased ammo. The only reason Americans don't like it is because it jams a 1911 antique.
My Glock 45's shoot it all day long and never jam.
At $12.69 for a box a 50 that's real hard to beat too!
http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/AMM5290-1.html
I really like gun myths. You know like"steel cased ammo will hurt your gun". The two fired test cartridges that came with my last two Glocks were Wolf steel.
Half of the world uses steel cased ammo. The only reason Americans don't like it is because it jams a 1911 antique.
My Glock 45's shoot it all day long and never jam.At $12.69 for a box a 50 that's real hard to beat too!
http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/AMM5290-1.html
FrankenMauser
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That is incredibly easy to beat if you are reloading with domestic components, rather than shooting unpredictable import ammo.
Just my preference but, I would trust any Russian Factory Ammo in my guns before I ever would trust a reload. More than half the world uses European Steel Cased ammo.
I have seen more gun kabooms caused by reloaded brass ammo than steel cased Russian ammo. It is my believe and opinion that brass was only intended to be used once and then thrown away.
Reloading just pushes the metal integrity of brass beyond it limitations. Brass stretches when encapsulating an explosion such as gun powder. This is just my line of logic and it has been correct for me for a long time now.
I have seen more gun kabooms caused by reloaded brass ammo than steel cased Russian ammo. It is my believe and opinion that brass was only intended to be used once and then thrown away.
Reloading just pushes the metal integrity of brass beyond it limitations. Brass stretches when encapsulating an explosion such as gun powder. This is just my line of logic and it has been correct for me for a long time now.
Some would argue reloading is safe enough. Still, I agree with the argument that factory ammo, even Russian steel-cased, seems to be safer on the whole. Seems like most kabooms are indeed attributed to bad handloads.
Pretty much all of my guns have had at least some steel-case ammo through them, except the ones for which steel-cased ammo isn't really available; in fact some (like my 9x18's and some of my rifles) have fired ONLY steel cased ammo. I've yet to see any problems.
Pretty much all of my guns have had at least some steel-case ammo through them, except the ones for which steel-cased ammo isn't really available; in fact some (like my 9x18's and some of my rifles) have fired ONLY steel cased ammo. I've yet to see any problems.
I can see why an indoor range would require that ammo to be used there be inspected first, especially rifle rounds. Those backstop/deflectors are critical safety devices and very expensive to repair or replace.
Most steel-core rifle ammo might not meet the legal definition for "armor piercing", but IME with Chinese 7.62x39 ammo it'll completely penetrate both sides of a piece of 4" dia. steel well casing at 100 yds. The peeled-off jacket will usually be found inside of the tube but the core itself punches right on through. FWIW, the wall thickness of that pipe is nearly 1/4".
I've put a good many thousands of rounds of steel cased, bimetal jacketed 7.62x39 through my SKSes with no discernable ill effects. In fairness, they were designed for that, so no surprises there. I've also used a not-inconsiderable number of them in my 189 series Mini 30 without noting any signs of unusual wear on the extractor or in the barrel and chamber.
I tried using the older style lacquered-steel cased 9x19 and .45 ACP in several of my pistols with mixed success. Most all of my 1911's didn't like it at all, and usually started malfing (most often failures to extract and/or fully chamber) after as few as a couple of mags-full. Ditto 9x19 in both a full-sized Witness and a Star M43. Accuracy from my weapons was mediocre-to-poor and it generated such huge amounts of sooty firing residue that I quit buying it altogether. My reloads might cost me a bit more, and I truly dislike the "scrounging around in the grass and gravel trying to recover all of my brass" part, but they group much better and aren't anywhere near as much of a PITA chore to clean up after.
Most steel-core rifle ammo might not meet the legal definition for "armor piercing", but IME with Chinese 7.62x39 ammo it'll completely penetrate both sides of a piece of 4" dia. steel well casing at 100 yds. The peeled-off jacket will usually be found inside of the tube but the core itself punches right on through. FWIW, the wall thickness of that pipe is nearly 1/4".
I've put a good many thousands of rounds of steel cased, bimetal jacketed 7.62x39 through my SKSes with no discernable ill effects. In fairness, they were designed for that, so no surprises there. I've also used a not-inconsiderable number of them in my 189 series Mini 30 without noting any signs of unusual wear on the extractor or in the barrel and chamber.
I tried using the older style lacquered-steel cased 9x19 and .45 ACP in several of my pistols with mixed success. Most all of my 1911's didn't like it at all, and usually started malfing (most often failures to extract and/or fully chamber) after as few as a couple of mags-full. Ditto 9x19 in both a full-sized Witness and a Star M43. Accuracy from my weapons was mediocre-to-poor and it generated such huge amounts of sooty firing residue that I quit buying it altogether. My reloads might cost me a bit more, and I truly dislike the "scrounging around in the grass and gravel trying to recover all of my brass" part, but they group much better and aren't anywhere near as much of a PITA chore to clean up after.
Couple of places selling steel 9mm cheap for guys that use it:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=62719&t=2526733
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=62719&t=2526733
notamisfit6
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It's probably more for ricochet/sparking reasons than reloads. The only range in my area that sells reloads allows pretty much anything.
Somewhat unrelated question: If Tula is selling ammo under their own name, are they pulling out from Wolf?
Second somewhat unrelated question: Why did they get rid of the white box and go for this '80s reject?
Somewhat unrelated question: If Tula is selling ammo under their own name, are they pulling out from Wolf?
Second somewhat unrelated question: Why did they get rid of the white box and go for this '80s reject?
The problem my home range has with steel case ammo is since the cases aren't reloadable, people don't police their "brass". Then when the range is mowed, the cases end up becoming mower projectiles. Couple of years ago, a mower flung a steel rifle case thru a side window of a parked truck.
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It doesn't hurt you barrel a bit. Some guns just don't like it, and don't feed/extract properly. There probably just saying that to try and smooth over the fact that there banning it. I bet your just right, probably for collection brass collection reasons. I don't know what i would do if they did that at my range, surplus steel cased is all i shoot outta my Russian guns.
It doesn't hurt you barrel a bit. Some guns just don't like it, and don't feed/extract properly. There probably just saying that to try and smooth over the fact that there banning it. I bet your just right, probably for collection brass collection reasons. I don't know what i would do if they did that at my range, surplus steel cased is all i shoot outta my Russian guns.
No brass cases especially pistol brass has the ability to last several reloadings. I'm still loading 45 cases from when I started loading and there are more than a few ammo manufacturers that make remanufactured ammo.
The problem with kabooms and reloading has nothing to do with pushing the integrity of the brass. Its either by mistake or some negligent yahoo pushing the integrity of the gun.
Tula .45acp
The only problem I had with it was that the bullet does not seem seated deeply enough to easily load in my Sig p220 and I could get more than 4 or 5 in the mag it also seemed to jam more. I loaded it up with cheap bvac ammo which is brass cased and she ran fine I'll try some of the other Russian brands before I give up. I also wonder if the silver bear golden bear and other copper washed Russian ammo will feed any better. I have some silver bear 145 grain Hp in 9pm comen along with some sort of copper washed 115 grain ammo I've never heard of coming from aim surplus it's all new ammo of course. I will report back to you all after I receive it and go to the range.
The only problem I had with it was that the bullet does not seem seated deeply enough to easily load in my Sig p220 and I could get more than 4 or 5 in the mag it also seemed to jam more. I loaded it up with cheap bvac ammo which is brass cased and she ran fine I'll try some of the other Russian brands before I give up. I also wonder if the silver bear golden bear and other copper washed Russian ammo will feed any better. I have some silver bear 145 grain Hp in 9pm comen along with some sort of copper washed 115 grain ammo I've never heard of coming from aim surplus it's all new ammo of course. I will report back to you all after I receive it and go to the range.
SigP6Carry
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I got a range that I've gone to that wouldn't allow the use of ANY foreign ammo. My swiss match grade ammo? Nope. Sellier and Bellot? Nope. Wolf? Oh, you know that's a no. And when I mention Brown bear... they laugh. But what do they stock? Nothing but American made ammo at ridiculous prices. Talking $25 for a 50 box of Winny White box 9mm. That's 2x what I pay for that ammo at Wal-mart or Meijer. It's their scheme for bringing in more money.
cloudcroft
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OP,
The gun range is using "PsyOps" on you: They want you to think they are doing YOU a favor by banning that ammo ("it'll damage your gun") so you'll feel better about the new rule...when in reality they are just looking after their OWN interests -- no brass for them to reuse. If it's a deliberate ruse on their part, then shame on them. If they are just ignorant about the ammo, also shame on them because they shouldn't be.
The gun range is using "PsyOps" on you: They want you to think they are doing YOU a favor by banning that ammo ("it'll damage your gun") so you'll feel better about the new rule...when in reality they are just looking after their OWN interests -- no brass for them to reuse. If it's a deliberate ruse on their part, then shame on them. If they are just ignorant about the ammo, also shame on them because they shouldn't be.