Tula brassmaxx-locked up 2 guns

If I were in that position, as I understand it, I would probably have done the same thing - force the gun into battery and fire the chambered round. I would rather do that than try to carry a loaded gun around looking for a gunsmith who, as noted, would probably have done the same thing.

Jim
 
Dude, what's with the attitude? If it was a round where the primer didn't ignite...you're right no big deal. But it totally seized up BOTH guns where extracting by pulling back the slide was totally impossible. I had to use gorilla force to even push the slide back into battery after trying various other methods. It took my guns out of use for 5+ minutes on each gun. I seriously thought that both guns would have to be professionally looked at with a LIVE round stuck in the chamber. Not something I wanted to try and remedy in my basement in a residential neighborhood.watch your tone, every single other person had something helpful to add...besides you.
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I know more about your beretta 92 and czp07 than you do. I don't even own them.

All you had to do is take out the mag, press the back part of the extractor to pivot it away from the case rim, and lock the slide to the back. Then you could work on getting that live round out.

Or after you bash the slide in battery, you should have made sure there was no magazine in the pistol, fired the offending round, then if the slide did not cycle, you would pivot the extractor to allow the slide to be pulled back, and disassemble the pistol from there.
 
Not to say always, but most of the time firing such a stuck round will result in normal extraction and ejection. Even in a locked breech pistol, there will be enough residual pressure to help push the case out of the chamber.

Jim
 
Dirty ammo produces a dirty chamber will cause a stuck case, I seen a lot of guys having problems at my local range some don't clean at all others don't know how, clean gun runs better even with crap ammo.
 
Evil Monkey said:
I know more about your beretta 92 and czp07 than you do. I don't even own them.

All you had to do is take out the mag, press the back part of the extractor to pivot it away from the case rim, and lock the slide to the back. Then you could work on getting that live round out.

Or after you bash the slide in battery, you should have made sure there was no magazine in the pistol, fired the offending round, then if the slide did not cycle, you would pivot the extractor to allow the slide to be pulled back, and disassemble the pistol from there.
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You're just being obnoxious, now. To make matters worse, I'm not sure you understand the problem...

When a locked-breech gun is in battery and a round is in the chamber, the slide and barrel are LOCKED together -- and they stay locked together until they are moved rearward and apart by the force of the round being fired or by racking the slide. It's usually just the recoil spring that keeps things together, so doing it by hand is simple.

In this case the slide and barrel are locked together by the mechanical force of a round stuck too tightly in the chamber; the barrel can't move enough to begin to unlock from the slide!! If the barrel can't move, the slide can't move, and vice versa.

While the Beretta and the CZ use different locking methods, the extractor plays no role in keeping the slide from moving. Removing the extractor, if you could do it, wouldn't change a thing. Firing the round could (and did) generate enough force to unlock the barrel from the slide. Had that round not fired, pivoting the extractor, as you suggested, wouldn't have done a thing then, either. The only thing to do then would be to go to the gunsmith with a potentially dangerous gun in hand.
 
You're just being obnoxious, now. To make matters worse, I'm not sure you understand the problem...
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the extractor plays no role in keeping the slide from moving. Removing the extractor, if you could do it, wouldn't change a thing.
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Neither the m92's lever locking system or the czp07's tilting barrel will be affected by the extractor being disengaged, and therefore the slide being disengaged, from the barrel. The barrel will still go through its unlocking function as the slide gets pulled back.

If the firearm does not require the trigger to be pulled for disassembly, you can disassemble the weapon with a live round in the chamber and remove the round from the chamber of the barrel in a much safer manner.

I've replicated these problems with my pistols and my solutions are tried and true.

Why don't you jam a spent casing in one of your semi auto pistols and try my methods, see what happens.
 
While the Beretta and the CZ use different locking methods, the extractor plays no role in keeping the slide from moving. Removing the extractor, if you could do it, wouldn't change a thing. Firing the round could (and did) generate enough force to unlock the barrel from the slide. Had that round not fired, pivoting the extractor, as you suggested, wouldn't have done a thing then, either. The only thing to do then would be to go to the gunsmith with a potentially dangerous gun in hand.
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I have to disagree with some of this. While under normal conditions the extractor plays no part in holding the slide closed, this was not a normal situation. When the case is stuck in the chamber, it is the extractor, holding the slide against the stuck case that keeps it stuck closed.

IF the design allows it, pivoting the extractor (or removing it) so it no longer holds the case rim should allow the slide to be retracted. There is nothing else holding the slide against the base of the case. Even with the gun locked closed (just short of being able to fire) freeing the case from the extractor (again, if possible) will allow the barrel & slide to move enough to unlock. Assuming you can free the stuck case from the extractor (without breaking it), it is then a simple matter to lock the slide back and drive out the stuck round with a rod.
 
OK. I stand chastened and corrected. You're right and I'm wrong -- I wasn't thinking it all the way through... but Evil Monkey was still being obnoxious.

And even with the extractor pivot, a trip to the gunsmith would still be needed, unless the shooter had a way of pulling or forcing that badly jammed round from the chamber(s).

In the case of the Beretta, I suspect the gun could also have been field-stripped, as the disassembly lever can be flipped without moving the slide. You might then have been able to remove the barrel, despite the extractor. (That's a "guess", as I have no Beretta on hand.) That approach isn't an option with the CZ -- which requires slide movement to disengage the slide stop; With the CZ the extractor pivot was the only option if you weren't willing to fully chamber the round and fire it. But a trip to the gunsmith was still in order in either case, then, too.

On some of my guns, including a SIG P-228 and P-220, the extractor isn't accessible with the slide on the frame and you must move the slide to move the disassembly lever. Had the original poster been shooting a SIG, forced the round into the chamber, and it didn't fire, it would have been an automatic trip to the gunsmith with a potentially hot gun. Even if he had taken it directly to the gunsmith with the partially loaded chamber, it might not have been much better... The SIG gunsmith bill would likely have been most painful; the others much less so.
 
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And even with the extractor pivot, a trip to the gunsmith would still be needed, unless the shooter had a way of pulling or forcing that badly jammed round from the chamber(s).
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As 44 AMP mentioned, with the extractor no longer holding the case rim you could remove the barrel and then using a brass rod from the front of the barrel tap the round out of the chamber.

On some of my guns, including a SIG P-228 and P-220, the extractor isn't accessible with the slide on the frame and you must move the slide to move the disassembly lever. Had the original poster been shooting a SIG, forced the round into the chamber, and it didn't fire, it would have been an automatic trip to the gunsmith with a potentially hot gun.
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That's only true with the older-style SIGs with the carbon steel slides and internal extractors. Most SIGs, I think all US models?, use an external extractor now.
 
TunnelRat (in response to my comment about inaccessible extractors on MY P228 and P220) said:
That's only true with the older-style SIGs with the carbon steel slides and internal extractors. Most SIGs, I think all US models?, use an external extractor now.
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True. That's why I said "some of my guns, including a SIG P-228 and P-220..." My P220 Super Match has the external extractor, but a P226 X-Five (made in Germany), and recently traded away, had one of those invisible ones.
 
Sounds like a nightmare I had in '96 with my otherwise reliable K9 and the notoriously horrible American Ammunition. After a few minutes with a wooden dowel and a plastic mallet, I was able to free the likely unresized factory reloaded garbage from my K9.

When I'm not using my own reloads, I stick with Speer Lawman, Blazer Brass, PMC Bronze or Geco FMJ as they're relatively inexpensive when purchased in bulk online and I've never had issues with any of them.

Thanks for the heads-up on this load that I'm unfamiliar with.
 
RE: American Ammunition...

Had some interesting experiences with them a number of years ago -- from 9mm rounds that simply were too long to chamber in some 9mms to .45 rounds that when the ammo box was opened, had varying OALs. Some were set back enough we were afraid to use them. That was the first time I've ever thrown away unfired ammo. (They had a bin for just that use at the range where I was shooting.)
 
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I purchased two boxes of .45 APC at WalMart about a year ago. It was
Brass Max from Italy, all 100 rounds were flawless . I was hoping to find
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