Tula brassmaxx-locked up 2 guns

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Hey guys. Never had a problem with either my beretta 92 or czp07...until today.
The crap ammo worked for a little then on both guns an unfired cartridge totally Jammed up both. The slides got stuck about a quarter inch to the rear and couldn't rack the slide. Eventually I have the bash it from the rear to return to battery. fired the rounds to get them out, couldnt rack it after even returning the slide to battery. is this most likely an ammo issue, I researched Tula brass and a lot of ppl had same issue with it. Hoping its not the guns but out of spec ammo.
Any thoughts?
 
Don't know about the Tula, but I had the same thing happen with Winchester white box in my 92fs. Rather than driving it closed, and firing it, I carefully!!! drove the slide back with a wood block and tapping with a small hammer, being very careful to not get anything in front of the gun. I didn't measure the round, should have. Everything looked OK with it, and the gun hasn't done it again with the WWB, or any other ammo.
 
It could be dirty chambers, but it sure sounds like oversize cases. It could also be due to bullets driven deeper into the cases and bulging them. If you didn't previously load those cartridges, it is probably the cases. I suggest you take the barrel off the Beretta, and try the unfired rounds you still have in the chamber. Once you find the extent of the problem, you can decide what to do with the unfired ammo. If you reload, maybe you can just run the oversize rounds into the resizing die. Otherwise, discard them.

Jim
 
What else would you expect from ammo made in Bosnia and Herzegovina? The saving of a few bucks per 100 rounds just ain't worth it. After the junk ammo tula was putting out years ago with under/over pressure ammo I never went back.
 
I suspect it being ammo made during the drout. They probably relaxed commercial ammo qa and some bad rounds that would have normally been caught were passed. I have put all kinds of crap, weak, steel, lead, dirty ammo down my 92 with 0 issues in over 5000 rounds.
 
Some of the BrassMaxx is made in Bosnia and some is Fiocchi from Italy. One is boxed and the other is sold in plastic tubs.

TulAmmo is an importer.

Could've out of spec rims that didn't fit under the extractor.
 
Thanks for the replies. I did buy this stuff during the drought. It's made in Bosnia. After that crap anmo I ran some American eagle and it didn't do it again. I'm suspecting the cases were oversized. It was def scary bc I didn't think I'd be able to get the live rounds out. I researched tulamaxx on other forums and many ppl had the same thing happen to glocks and MP's. I'm just glad it wasn't the guns. Both of which were 100% reliable before that.
 
I've had excellent results from 9mm Bosnian brass TulAmmo, after firing at least 300-400 rounds. Yugoslav/Bosnian ammo made by Igman has had an excellent reputation for decades, and I've personally had 100x more issues with American brands like Remington (I won't buy another round of anything they make), WWB, and American Eagle.
 
Never force a round to chamber that won't chamber on its own.


Hopefully you learned that lesson.

It's the reason why many dislike the forward assist on an AR. It's intended function is unneeded on a rifle that is properly lubricated, not necessarily a clean one. I only ever use it if I press check the rifle.

Usually don't hear this as a problem very often with pistols.
 
The forward assist on the M16 was intended to allow a dirty round to be chambered. It was only to be used in an emergency and otherwise the round should be extracted and another round chambered. In theory, of course, rounds should be inspected and cleaned if necessary before loading into the magazine. The real solution would have been to adopt a rifle with better primary extraction and a "bootable" bolt handle, but it is a bit late for that.

In many auto rifles and pistols, the return spring is strong enough to drive a dirty or out-of-spec round into the chamber hard enough that it cannot be extracted manually. An example is the .308W (7.62 NATO) in an M1 rifle. Even though it is almost impossible to chamber the .308 W in a .30-'06 bolt action rifle, the M1 operating rod spring is powerful enough to drive the round into the chamber and close the bolt, but manual extraction is close to impossible. Fortunately, the solution is to simply fire the round, and there is no danger in doing so.

Jim
 
Never force a round to chamber that won't chamber on its own.

Hopefully you learned that lesson.
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He actually learned that forcing the round into the chamber worked in this case.

He forced an almost-completely-chambered round the rest of the way into the chamber AFTER he realized he COULD NOT OPEN THE SLIDE OR OTHERWISE CLEAR THE WEAPON. If this happened after a successful shot (i.e., itcame out of the barrel and hit the target) or was the first round of a newly loaded mag and the failure to chamber was clearly NOT due to a squib round, I would probably have done the same. (I would have been sure the gun was pointed down range when I hit the slide -- if it didn't have a firing pin block.)

Another option would be to use some sort of tool to pry the slide open -- but that is theory, we can't see what he saw, and there may not have been an appropriate tool available, etc.

That leaves a third option -- take it to a gunsmith and have him clear it. That arguably would have been the BEST path to take. But, I suspect that the gunsmith might've done the same he did and I would do (if nobody was watching. :p)

CHEAP AMMO sometimes has unexpectedly higher costs, later.
 
so you had a couple bad rounds......

....big.........freakin.........deal.........

With the billions of rounds of ammo being made a year, you're gonna have a few bad rounds.
 
so you had a couple bad rounds......

....big.........freakin.........deal.........

With the billions of rounds of ammo being made a year, you're gonna have a few bad rounds.
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Bad rounds that lock a gun up completely are worse than a few hard primers or just some dirty powder. I'm not sure why you seem upset by his thread. :confused:
 
upset? :confused:

I'm not upset. I'm just looking at the big picture. There has to be some out of spec rounds somewhere with all the rounds that get produced.

Now if this was a rampant issue every couple of boxes you buy you have these rounds locking up your gun. Well then "crap" is a well deserved description.
 
Walt... After he fired the round, the slide was still stuck... So firing the round didn't fix much. He was still stuck with a pistol that did not work.

He could have had worse issues when he pulled the trigger. Say the projectile was slightly oversize... Just a what if kind of situation.
 
A cartridge headspace gauge can help you sort this out, at least with the rest of the lot. You'll know if theres something up with the round, before it ever hits the mag.

They are a handy thing to have anyway, especially if you reload.
 
Evil monkey:"so you had a couple bad rounds......

....big.........freakin.........deal.........

With the billions of rounds of ammo being made a year, you're gonna have a few bad rounds."

Dude, what's with the attitude? If it was a round where the primer didn't ignite...you're right no big deal. But it totally seized up BOTH guns where extracting by pulling back the slide was totally impossible. I had to use gorilla force to even push the slide back into battery after trying various other methods. It took my guns out of use for 5+ minutes on each gun. I seriously thought that both guns would have to be professionally looked at with a LIVE round stuck in the chamber. Not something I wanted to try and remedy in my basement in a residential neighborhood.watch your tone, every single other person had something helpful to add...besides you.
 
marine6680 said:
Walt... After he fired the round, the slide was still stuck... So firing the round didn't fix much. He was still stuck with a pistol that did not work.

He could have had worse issues when he pulled the trigger. Say the projectile was slightly oversize... Just a what if kind of situation.
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That's not what he wrote. Once it was chambered he couldn't rack the slid and he had to fire the round to get it out. (In your defense, it wasn't as clearly stated as it might have been.) Here's what he said. ( I added emphasis):

...The crap ammo worked for a little then on both guns an unfired cartridge totally Jammed up both. The slides got stuck about a quarter inch to the rear and couldn't rack the slide. Eventually I have the bash it from the rear to return to battery. fired the rounds to get them out, couldnt rack it after even returning the slide to battery.​

If it was nearly chambered -- only a 1/4" from being closed -- and he could get it shut, it's unlikely the round was so big as to be a problem in the barrel. A far bigger concern was whether there was another round in the barrel, perhaps near the chamber... which is why I added those points in my response. THAT could have been very ugly.
 
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