True effective target range of .22 lr

the targets alot bigger at 200 thoe
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Not necessarily. The aiming black size on competition targets is generally a constant size measured in MOA, they just scale the ring sizes based on the range.

Long range targets are pretty big.

I am pretty sure they used the MR-52 targets, which are the 200 yard reduced version of the MR-1 600 yard slow fire target.
 
My Ruger 10/22 still has at least one original factory part on it, I think that it would count as "tricked out"; I think... And I pretty much shoot it every week. That being said...

With a drop reticle, I regularly shoot accurately free standing from 40 yards out to 125 - 150 yards. Sitting on a bi-pod hitting the bottom of empty shotgun hulls are pretty easy pickings at these same distances. Generally I don't shoot out much past these distances on a regular basis, occasionally will push out for fun but not as a regular with a .22lr; I have "better platforms" when I start really reaching out.

I think that the bullet drop is what most folks need to "wrap their heads around" when trying to reach out a bit. That and having a really good trigger; it only takes just a tiny movement off to be really off at distance. And of course "right practice" repeated, really tends to help.
 
Wow! Thanks to everyone for the many replies. Didn't expect so many so quickly. :)

My .22 rifle plinking is with a Targetmaster from the 1950s and 50 yds is dead on for hitting shotgun shells or pieces of clay pegions. I've tried out to 100 yds but had limited success with the open sights. Don't want to put a scope on that one though as I appreciate the "old gun" just the way it is.

Shot it yesterday with several friends and they were amazed at the accuracy and quietness. With .22 shorts the bullet hitting the taget was louder than the shot itself. :)

My Marlin 25N is pretty fair out to 100 yds. I can routinely put them in a 5x5" square at that distance but not the nice clover leaf clusters I've seen others post here. Again, this gun is not tricked out at all and has a cheap Tasco sitting on top.

My wife has a Browning Buckmark rifle with the little green and orange optic sights that is pretty sweet out to 50 yds just as is. Haven't pushed it beyond that so I can't say. The barrel is short but I suppose with good optics it would be good out to 100 yds.

Was looking at the 10/22 VLEH and putting a scope on that. That would be fun. :)

Again, thanks for all of the replies and input.
 
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Odd. You seem to say .22 lr is ok here for accurate longer range shooting, but in the closed survival gun thread, you bashed my choice and abilities because it was different that yours? Sounds pretty mall ninja on your end.

"You are over estimating your ability to shoot in a stressful situation, you are over estimating your ability to hunt, you are over estimating the amount of available critters remaining alive and your are over estimating the power of the .22."

Maybe you're overestimating your ability instead; it's ok. Here in Eastern WV, there are plenty of deer, small game, and the cover to be easily within 25-50 yards of an easy shot.

To stay on topic, I'll add that when I still had my Marlin Model 60, I could easily put groups in Skoal cans set on their sides with open sights. I have no problem believing a tricked out .22 is capable of much more.
 
Well,

I'm 68 years old.. My hands are shaky, my vision declining..

So..

There is NO distance for this old fart beyond 50 yards..

And, I prefer 15 and 25 yards if I have any desire and expectation of actually shooting reasonably small groups..:D

I feel sure a couple of my rifles (Marlin 39A & Winchester 63 for sure) are "capable" of accuracy beyond 50 yards, just not with me pulling the trigger..

But, it is satisfying to still enjoy the pleasures of rimfire plinking, while I can still see good enough, AND afford to do so. ;)

Guess that's why I have 7 rimfire rifles.

Here's my favorite..

jesse

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My CZ452 topped with a Leupold 2-7x32 scope will group 5 shots of CCI Minimags in just over 1 inch at 100 yards. I use mine for hunting & limit my shots to around 120 yards. After this the .22 trajectory drops off a fair bit.
Thoeretically if your gun shoots around 1 inch groups at 100 yards, you could use it for 200 yard shooting, but I find the .22 is blown off course even with the slightest of breeze when shooting at 200 yards.
 
Hello, sks. I'm not sure if this would qualify as being "tricked out",: Original Whitney rolling block 28" oct. brl. in .22 L.R., vernier tang and Beach combination (flip up globe or pinhead) front., Australian cadet actioned sporter with Rem. Match-Master 28" brl. Appature rear & blade front. Hitting 10" steel plates at 300yds. (Zeis rangefinder) firing off X sticks and prone. Using CCI Green Tag & Eley match.
 
The original 200 yard smallbore target was the A/24[I think] The size is very close to the highpower SR42. [300rapid reduced for 200 yards.] Shooting standard velocity ammo required 20Minutes of elevation above a 100 yard zero.
Anschutz and Walther target rifles scored in the 190's. [about 2-3 MOA]. Well built sporter weight rifles did well to hold 4MOA. Wind reading was essential but surprisingly predictable.
 
Ideal Tool: Yeah, that would qualify to me :) as all of my .22s are stock as is from the factory. Hats off for hitting the plates at 300 yds. That is pretty impressive.

No matter the other calibers and platforms I shoot, the .22 is always great because it is cheap and doesn't destroy my shoulder.
 
sks

I have some data that might help you
This if for three different rifles at 50 and 100 yards with a couple of different match ammos for the bolt rifles. I haven't shot the 10-22 at 100 yards at paper that much as you can see. Mostly plinking at clay birds and such.
-----------------------50 yards---# groups--100 yards --- # groups
Cooper 57M bolt action:
Wolf Match Target ------0.384 -------126 -----0.974 --------10
Wolf Match Extra -------0.396 -------100 -----0.919 --------12
Eley Match EPS Black----0.398 ------ 31 ----- 0.626 ---------5
Lupua Midas Plus -------0.235 --------5 -------0.925 ---------5


Sako Quad bolt action:
Wolf Match Target ------0.392 --------45------0.805---------3
Lapua Midas Plus---------0.438---------7------1.116---------5
Lapua Center-X----------0.392---------9------1.009---------2


Ruger 10-22 with Butler Creek barrel, Volquartsen trigger group, and Hogue Stock:
Wolf Match Target-------0.407---------162----0.882---------3

Each rifle has its favorite ammos but the number of groups at 100 yards isn't large enough to conclude that that preference is retained across the 50 to 100 yard distances.

Notice that the groups grow more than 2x over 2x the distance. That isn't just the shooter, it probably is caused by the increasing loss of velocity over the second 50 yards coupled with the effect of variations in the individual bullets.
 
Odd. You seem to say .22 lr is ok here for accurate longer range shooting, but in the closed survival gun thread, you bashed my choice and abilities because it was different that yours? Sounds pretty mall ninja on your end.

If you aren't smart enough to relize the difference between shooting targets vs. killing a critter for meat then god help you when crossing the street. You'll need it. Paper or steel doesn't give a crap about energy, velocity or bullet design and the stress's of the situations are completely different.

LK
 
My CZ453 (a model 452 with a factory installed single set trigger) is fairly accurate and I supposed you could say that it's "all tricked out". I had my gunsmith pillar-bed the two action screws, glass-bed the entire action and re-float the heavy barrel (mine is a CZ453 "Varmint" model .22 rimfire).

I haven't got an adjustable pounds/inches torque screw-driver yet, but I'm looking for one, so I've got the rear action screw pretty darned tight and the front action screw a little less tight (I'm guessing the rear screw is about 25 lb/inches and the front screw is about 21 or 22 lb/inches).

I've topped the rifle off with a 4-12x40mm with adjustable A/O, middle priced ($289 scope that I found on line for $190) variable center-fire scope that gives me all of the magnification I need to shoot regularly at 50 yards and occasionally at 100 yards. The scope is very clear and the images are very sharp.

After testing over 30 different brands/bullet-types of .22 rimfire ammo over a two year period, I found my rifle "likes" Wolf Match/Target the best. It is reasonably accurate with CCI Mini-Mags (hollow points), Super-X solid points and a few other "normal" (not "target" or "match" ammo) .22 ammo, but of course with "normal" .22 rimfire ammo, I get "fliers" here and there due to the manufacturer's lack of precision in putting their .22 rimfire ammo together.

I have the "set" trigger adjusted down to a few ounces and on a windless day, I can easily keep all 5 shots inside a bright orange target paster (1" pasters) at 50 yards. Groups (50 yards) generally run about .2 of an inch center-to-center with an occasional group somewhat smaller or larger.

At 100 yards, (no or very little head-or-tail wind)... I can easily hit small (3/4 inch?) pieces of broken clay birds 8 or 9 times out of 10 shots and misses are generally my fault rather than the rifle, but I suspect the ammo has something to do with that as well unless I'm using Wolf Match/Target ammo which is rare since it is so expensive these days.

I mostly shoot either CCI Mini-Mags or Federal "Classic" 38 grain, copper-plated H.P., high-velocity long rifle ammo (Lot#GH350) of which I purchased a case several years ago because they were the most accurate rounds tested in my 70+ year old Remington Model 512 and my 50+ year old (serial# 9xx) Ruger 10/22. At this point-in-time, I'm down to just two boxes of the Federal cartridges left... I shall miss them when they're gone.

I've found that I must hold about 4-inches high at 100 yards when my scope's crosshairs are sighted in the center of the little pasters @ 50 yards. I use the paster as a 10 ring (at 50 yards) which I stick on a 9" white paper plate. I generally put 5 pasters on a plate and, at 50 yards, most all of the shots are inside the pasters with a "flier" here and there... depending on what ammo I'm using that day.

I'm convinced those "fliers" are due to a lack of the manufacture's quality control because I've weighed the rounds and grouped the rounds by weight and the thickness of their rims, but still I get a few fliers with the good ("normal", not "Wolf match/target" ammo) .22 rimfire ammo, but even with the Wolf Match/Target, I still get a few "fliers" now and then.

Naturally, all the above shooting is off the bench with the rifle supported by a heavy cast aluminum Lyman rifle rest with sandbags (25# shotbags I've filled with sand) on the rifle rest and at the toe of the butt-stock.

With all of the above in mind, I'd suggest that the maximum effective range of a .22 rimfire rifle depends on the skill of the rifleman plus the REAL accuracy of his rifle and ammunition.

I've never shot a .22 rimfire rifle beyond 100 yards, so I can't say if it is "good" beyond that range or not. However, at 50 yards or less, my CZ453 is most certainly within a "minute-of-squirrel's-head" and easily inside a squirrel's vital body parts at 100 yards IF the I have estimated that range correctly.

However, in truth, I wouldn't take a 100 yard shot on a living animal with a .22 rimfire, I'd use my heavy-barreled Sako in .222 with a 24x scope which has fired a 5-shot group of less than 1/10th of an inch using my handloads. The Sako is extremely accurate for shots out to 225 yards. Beyond that, bullet drop becomes drastic.

That said, remember that it is ALWAYS easier to shoot half-inch groups with a keyboard than with a rifle... and it is DEFINITELY easier to shoot quarter-inch groups with a keyboard than with a rifle. ;)


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
 
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Wow Rimfire, I'll take the groups you show even with the increase at 100 yds. That is impressive and yes, it is definitley minute of squirrel's head.

I agree, Ron T and would never take a shot on a live animal at 100 yds with a .22 unless it was a horsefly. :)

I've shot squirrels at 30-40 yds with open sights on the old Target Master and 40-50 yds with the Marlin 25N and a scope. In reality I've never seen a squirrel in a tree at farther than that and had a decent shot.

I guess it would be fun to shoot paper at 200 yards with a .22 but for my purposes 100 yds is probably maximum. If I had the gun, it would be operator error in any case. :)

Still have my eye on the 10/22 VLEH. :D Just might pull the trigger on that one. (pun not intended but accepted)
 
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"If you aren't smart enough to relize the difference between shooting targets vs. killing a critter for meat then god help you when crossing the street. You'll need it. Paper or steel doesn't give a crap about energy, velocity or bullet design and the stress's of the situations are completely different."

Nice try; as I said if your abilities aren't up to the challenge, it's ok. I'm confident mine are. And to a point, you're right; a small steel target will be much harder to penetrate than a nice soft one of the same size. Point is, just because you don't see yourself as being capable of doing it, doesn't mean others are not.
 
Clifford L. Hughes

SKS:

Competition shooters using match rifles and match ammo shoot competition anywhere from fifty feet to 100 yards with a variety of sights. Most of the time it requires a perfect score to win the match.

Semper Fi.

Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC Retired
 
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