TRTdone more in 6 months than NRA has in 100 years

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robnoel

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Please allow me to vent...I know many think the NRA is there for American Gun Owners...but let the truth be known...the TRT has achieved more in 6 months with no money than the NRA has with all it's millions and since it's inception "to protect the 2nd amendment" we now have 20,000 guns laws to contend with....and all are bogus!

From time of inception (a couple of months ago) to date, they have shown up at gun rights confiscation events, gun shows (to promote the idea) and town meetings. At each place they have roundly outnumbered their opponents, the people that are busily working, working, working all the time to take away your freedom. The enemies of freedom never sleep. The citizens have been sleeping far too long.

The Tyranny Response Team has no base, no office building, no official leaders, no budget. It needs none, for it consists of the whole body of the people. No one has to fill out a form, make a pledge, sendmoney, or join a group. All you need is your outrage, your American spirit of rebellion against tyrants and a willingness to confront them, whenever and wherever they decide to rear their ugly heads. And if you'd like, you can buy a T-Shirt,ballcap or iron on patch

What has the NRA done this year?......nothing but talk about a restaurant in Times square...and stand on the same stage as Brady and the rest of the gun grabing community to promote project Excile......what has the TRT done during the past 6 months...in Colorado we have taken to the streets no fewer than 20 times,on Mothers Day joining with SAS we went coast to coast...currently we have chapters in 25 states, 8 web sites ,3 chat pages and national and international daily 2 hour radio show......so the question who is defending your FREEDOM?......check it out for yourself

TRTeam.com http://www.trteam.com
 
Late night infomercials.

Amicus briefs in Emerson.

Presence on Capitol Hill.

Official observer to the UN Disarmament Commission.

Nation- and world-wide name recognition.

*shrug*

LawDog
 
My opinion:

We currently have no generally recognized right (at the federal level) to keep and bear (fire)arms. If we did the gun laws of DC and NYC would look a lot different. Rhetoric aside, that is what reality looks like to me. Maybe a good court case would change things, maybe not – but that is speculation.

Let’s face it. We’re engaged in a rear guard action. If the gods smile we might win, but I wouldn’t stake the house, car and twin Dalmatians on it. For our sake, and the sake of our children we should persist until the bitter end. Delay as long as possible. But the odds are that our victory, as was the victory of the Macabees(Sp?) , will be in the duration of the delay.

Personally I welcome all organizations that come into the fray on the side I believe in. NRA, TRT, GOA, et alia. If the gay rights folks or the pink panthers or whomever come in on the side of individual responsibility for protection of self, family and community – AND THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE ARMS TO DO SO – then I say “Hey, come sit at my table and lets talk about how to get this done without trampling my rights or yours.”

In the meantime – as to who has done the most (or least) as an organization – and where the NRA falls on that scale, I’ll echo Lawdog’s comments.


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Jim Fox
 
Jimfox I have no problem with your comments.....however the NRA needs to get it's butt kicked.......from time to time....
 
While my heart is with the TRT, I think their tactics just make gun owners look foolish to the folks whose opinions most need to be swayed (i.e. those who don't own guns but who vote). The NRA is at least productive lobbying Congress. The TRT has been mostly productive at getting a few faces, for a few seconds, on the local news. The national media has largely ignored them unless they needed a good example of "gun nuts" to illustrate their anti-gun news pieces.
 
The TRT has the right idea. Project Exile has screwed Americans who truly believe in the right to bear arms. The NRA has done as much to erode our 2nd Amendment rights as the Bradys, and more than the Clintonistas, or Rosie ever will. Shoot up until very recently they have decided that the 2nd includes such villainous weapons as "assault style" weapons. When the NRA stops compromising our rights away, and stops kissing the fed's collective butt, they may get my vote again. I would rather have an honest to goodness fight than a friggin restaurant.

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"Vote with a Bullet."
 
proximo... The NRA is at least productive lobbying Congress......you mean the 20,000 gun laws ...yep they did really good.....:-)
 
Whenever someone brings up the 20,000 guns laws that got past the NRA, I always wonder how many anti-freedom bills get stopped by the NRA.

From listening to the talking heads on CNN, it sounds like the NRA was responsible for at least one this month.

Let's make this one fair. Bet is open to any organization. Your organization doesn't actually have to be responsible for killing an anti-gun bill, we'll count if your organization is blamed for the bill's death, responsible or not. Say from July 1st to oh, say, October 1st.

Anybody?

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited June 30, 2000).]
 
I could be corrected....but to answer your question......(how many anti-freedom bills get stopped by the NRA.)........NONE!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I could be corrected....but to answer your question......(how many anti-freedom bills get stopped by the NRA.)........NONE![/quote]

Two minute search of the Internet finds that the NRA catches the blame for the defeat of these bills:
http://www.capitolhillblue.org/July1998/gunlocksjul22.htm

Second paragraph.
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/061999/new_gunbill.shtml

Ninth paragraph.

Anyone want to take a longer look?

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited June 30, 2000).]
 
Lawdog,

Which is worse: an enemy who is out in the open who you can identify, or an incompetent (or worse) within your own ranks who does as much harm as good?

Sadly, the NRA appears to be going the way of the Republican Party. They do some good from time to time, but the overall direction is wrong. It's incrementalism from within our own ranks, and if we are afraid to call it what it is, then it will continue.
 
This is not a competition. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's not about who gets in the paper, it's about what gets done collectivly. I think it was Ben Franklin that said "We must all hang together, for we shall surely hang separately."
Eric

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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
 
The NRA cannot act alone against the culture of a state or a region in the short run.

A long term strategy is needed to recruit members of the political middle and left to support the RKBA. That effort might even be independent of NRA affliation. Unfortunately, my buddies in the know don't feel that the NRA has a long term strategy even though they may have short term influence.
 
Ahem, see my signature...

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Agree with Law Dog and CMOS. NRA does lots of good work, and is just trying to put its finger in the dyke created by decades of apathy by GUN OWNERS. To those who criticize the NRA, what you YOU done by comparison? You make me sick. NRA wants the same thing you do. If they had more than a "finger" of clout, then they'd build new walls and push the tidal wave backward. But they don't at this point in time in our knee-jerk, unthinking society, with only about 4.3% of gun owners as members. Are you a member? NO? Well no wonder they don't have the clout, dipsticks.

Having said all that, GOA is even better IMO, and more efficient with our money. JOIN GOA!
 
One of the other posters stated that the NRA is our shield, and the GOA will be our sword. I say, the Bill of Rights is our shield and the 2nd Amendment is our sword. In other words, we're to be our own shield and sword. Sorry folks, but paying professional lobbying organizations to do our standing up for us ain't gonna cut it. It always amazes me how gun owners--many of whom are the most serious defenders and practicers of personal responsibility--think it's alright to let the "professionals" do our fighting for us.

Anyone who wants me to believe that that's gonna do anything but buy us a little time (very little) is slicing the ham a bit thicker than I care to swallow.

We have gun control because too many gun owners WANT or ACCEPT some gun control...then they get their panties in a wad when, instead of it just applying to "evil" guns (Sat. Night Specials, for instance) or so-called "sensible licensing and registration" (CHL-CCWs), it starts affecting everything.

Then, we have the gall to whine about it. We join organizatins like they're the answer (they're not and everyone deep down knows it). We participate in the political process even though, deep down, we know that that ain't changed things yet, and it ain't gonna, not with the kind of widespread socialism/statism embraced in America these days.

Then, when some folks like the TRT show up and advocate getting off our @$$E$ and actually DOING something about it, we wring our hands at how our PR image is suffering. From where I stand, that makes us not worth a crap. Makes us the problem for sitting by and blathering on like we're a friggin Garden Club or something. Gun owners who are more worried about their images than their rights deserve what they get. But they don't deserve respect.

All of the gun organizations do some good, yet we still have lost most of our protection under the law for our 2nd Amendment rights.

Awfully dadgum easy to cry on each other's shoulders about it, though, ain't it.



[This message has been edited by Franklin W. Dixon (edited June 30, 2000).]
 
To All:

I solve this issue by belonging to the NRA, the GOA, the SAF, and the JPFO.

And I show up when the Tyranny Response Team does. I agree with Franklin Dixon that "Gun owners who are more worried about their images than their rights deserve what they get."

Political correctness has no place in the preservation of freedom.

Best regards,

Robert Teesdale

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Too much squabbling among the ranks disturbs me. It makes us vulnerable. I don't want to see the pro-RKBA folks become like the Republicans. After the US won the Cold War, all the divergent elements in the GOP—libertarians, neoconservatives, paleoconservatives, the Religious Right, etc.— found themselves at odds with one another and the party hasn't been the same since. There's no Reagan to hold it all together. Hopefully this is not our fate.

I think there are many ways to fight a war. NRA, GOA, etc., all have their own methods. I'm just glad they are there, even if I'm not always happy with their methods. Better to have a mediocre fighter in your corner then none at all.

---hemlock0013
 
I've seen the TRT members in action, and it's a good group. Getting folks to the front lines at a demonstration is important. It's also important to get into the offices of congressmen and senators which none of us, including the TRT members, can do. So, we need the NRA, the TRT, GOA, JFPO and all the others. Most of all, we need the gun owners themselves. The 4.3% of gun owners who are
NRA members does not constitute 3.5 million _active_ gun owners. I know far too many gun owners who have more guns than I could ever dream of owning, and they have _never_ written a letter, never called their representative, never made a phone call, never signed a petition, and they never, ever will. And you can bet your last dollar that they'll be the first to whine when they lose their guns. Someone here best described them as golf-and-skeet-apoliticos, or something along those lines. Would appreciate a reiteration of that description if anyone remembers.

Dick
Want to send Bush a message? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and send the link to every gun owner you know.
 
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