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I just ran across this on the web this morning. A Chicago sheriff sergeant is off duty and in plain clothes and has stopped to get gas at a Citgo station.

The officer appears to be wearing a jacket with an American flag on it and it may be part of his uniform.

This occurred around 10 pm last night.

He has the pump nozzle in his hand and he is approached by thug #1 who is holding a handgun. Officer drops nozzle and turns slightly to the right. Perhaps to shield his CCW. Thug #2 and thug #3 approach and thug #3 goes to the passenger side door of the vehicle. The officer is obviously having some sort of dialog with thug #1 and is using his left hand to rummage around in his pockets. It looks like he hands thug #1 some bills and loose change and then the officer pulls his gun and shoots thug #1 point blank in the head.

Officer seeks cover of part of the station structure while thug #2 and #3 beat feet. Thug #1 is trying to move and officer covers him with his gun and kicks the gun away. Officer looks like he is going to car to retrieve phone when the video ends.

It looks like only one shot was fired and thug #1 did die.

Anyone think the officer did anything wrong? I am thunderstruck how fast this went down.

Here is a link.

Looking at this quite a few more times, it looks like he was wearing his duty weapon and not a backup and it looks like his jacket was keeping him from printing and it also looks like that was the reason for turning to keep the gun from showing while he gained access to the weapon and it also looks like he fired at least once or twice at thug #2 and #3.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-south-side-shootings-20140210,0,623345.story
 
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Im thunderstruck that anyone reading this type of forum could be "thunderstruck" as to the speed at which this type of thing happens
 
Good. Nothing wrong with that

Those of us that have been students (and sometimes practitioners) of the defensive arts will recognize patterns in this attack that are pretty common

Fast paced... Mtpl assailants... Close range begining, opening up distance QUICKLY once shots are fired

The sad fact is that because this was an off-duty LEO it will not be counted as a CCW defensive shooting. The fact the attackers had NO KNOWLEDGE he was a LEO is pertinent.

In their eyes he was just another potential victim could have been you, could have been me

To the officer involved i say... WELL DONE.
Good use of presumed compliance to distract threat #1
Great choice of central nervous system shot placement. The optimum distance to take a head shot is muzzle contact.

Good movement after the shot. Get OFF the X

All in all a great job
 
On another thread here, guys are posting that LE statistics are not relevant to CCW shootings

This was statistically a LE shooting!!! Tell me how it was different from what might happen to you or me tonight?
 
Yeah, it normally happens that quick, and the long-time average is less than 3 shots, less than 3 seconds, less than 3 yards. (the rule of 3-3-3.)

I've been a cop for 34 years, and when I talk about officer-involved shootings, most people can't believe how fast things go sideways. I've been involved in two officer-involved shootings and in the second one, it was over before I cleared leather. Luckily, no one was seriously hurt in either one.
Anyone think the officer did anything wrong? I am thunderstruck how fast this went down.
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I don't know, I wasn't there, and I haven't read the officer's report. If there is one thing I've learned in 34 years of police work is that invariably the news media gets the first reports wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
Things like this are generally over before anyone knew they were happening.

The L/E kept his cool and waited for the right opportunity to take action, and when he did he acted quickly, put down the man with the exposed weapon. Then took cover and observed scene.

It's just to damn bad he could not have taken out the two outer actors:mad:. Oh-well odds are they will screw up again, and give someone the chance to finish what the officer started.
 
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Car wrecks come quickly to.

So yes, trouble, especially if your head is up your, uh thing-a-ma-jig, can just blindside you.

Deaf
 
Some years ago, a man went down a street in (IIRC) NYC with a knife, stabbing people in the lower back at random. No one cried out, or most were not even aware they had been stabbed, the blow was so sudden and the shock so great.

So when someone says that he carries a gun and will always be able to defend himself because he practices this or that draw, or uses this or that holster, or carries this or that gun, I beg to differ. Under some conditions that might be true. But under others, it doesn't matter what gun you carry or none. or what training you have or none, or what on-line guru you follow or none. You are dead.

Jim
 
When I travel, I look where I am going. I get gas at well lighted places and I try to be aware of what is around me.

I see people just hanging around, I don't stop. I move on down the road.

What struck me about this was the place WAS well lighted. The cameras did not show a bunch of people milling around and the officer, of all people, was obviously ready to respond quickly.

I applaud him and those people who perform this dangerous job day in and day out.

MOST of us in the general population, just do not deal in this kind of reality everyday. I really think that MOST of us are WOEFULLY unprepared for what can happen when things go bad.

I seldom carry a gun on me. I often have one in my truck. Fat lot of good that would have done me should I have been in that situation. Thug #3 would have likely used my gun on me.

I work at shooting better and reading the situation and the people around me.

It is painfully clear that I am a minnow in a sea of sharks. I hope I have learned from your responses today some things to do and some things to avoid.

As I posted earlier, I must have led a pretty sheltered life in a fairly small town in Kentucky.

Thanks for your responses. I read ALL of them.
 
MOST of us in the general population, just do not deal in this kind of reality everyday
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There are 313 million citizens in the US and 700,000 police. The general population [is] dealing with/ falling victim to this kind of violence everyday and more like every 15 minutes. I applaud this officer for making the quick decision to fight for his life but this could have been anyone and it was only by the slimmest chance- it was a off duty LEO. The punks certainly didnt expect it to be a LEO or someone armed.
 
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MOST of us in the general population, just do not deal in this kind of reality everyday
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They don't in Chicago, general population is not allowed to protect themselves. The thugs were not expecting armed victim.

Doug
 
Trouble can come quickly

When I mention to folks that stopping for fuel at night invites trouble, they call me crazy.

I like to fill up between 7 and 7:30 am. Not many lowlifes up and at it that early.
 
skoro,

It's nice that you live far enough south that 7 am is full light -- and that your life is ordered enough that you always have a choice to fill up in daylight. Plenty of folks around here go to work in the dark and come home in the dark, at least in winter.

Avoidance is best when possible. Isn't always possible, as this event showed. Good job to the man involved, and I hope he weathers the aftermath in good shape.

pax
 
Yeah, it normally happens that quick, and the long-time average is less than 3 shots, less than 3 seconds, less than 3 yards. (the rule of 3-3-3.)
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I hate to burst your bubble but those are the fights the cops lost. Taken from FBI stats on officers killed.

The officer did fine.
 
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