Tried to like my P250C
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Thanks Safestuffer for the comments. I believe I get your drift. I guess I was focusing more on the angle of the best option new at this price point. I have a Sig P226 that's pretty awesome. I was asked recently by someone thinking about getting a first pistol what I'd recommend. He wanted something new for under $500. I didn't have a good answer. He had looked at Ruger (SR9, I think it is) and S&W M&P. I've tried an M&P and it seems fine. I know little about the Ruger. I thought the P250 and Beretta PX4 sound like good possibilities, but I've never fired either. I like Glocks, but I'm not sure it's the best for a first pistol. Even used, a P226 is a little pricey.
LockedBreech
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If there's one thing you don't have to feel sorry for, it's loving a classic. The 92, like the 226, CZ-75, Hi-Power, and 1911, is just one of those auto designs that does a whole lot of things right. Someone mentioned earlier that there's no reason to accept an okay gun when so many great guns exist. The 92-series is a great exemplar of that.
Quit fretting over the 250 and start wringing out that Beretta! I also highly recommend looking at a few other Sigs. My personal favorite is the 229. The 250 is a rare miss from a pretty great gun maker.
Thanks LockedBreech,
All you said sounds like good advice. Looking at my original post sounds like a little too much whining on my part - but I took action to improve my situation by acquiring the Beretta. It's one of the best purchases I have made. My previous best was many years ago when I bought my Ruger Mark II. I will never sell that one either. Will probably go to my son when the time is right.
I have never been a collector - I use all the guns I have owned so I don't have any "safe queens."
All you said sounds like good advice. Looking at my original post sounds like a little too much whining on my part - but I took action to improve my situation by acquiring the Beretta. It's one of the best purchases I have made. My previous best was many years ago when I bought my Ruger Mark II. I will never sell that one either. Will probably go to my son when the time is right.
I have never been a collector - I use all the guns I have owned so I don't have any "safe queens."
Technosavant
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I agree with this. While I have several P250s and disagree about it being a miss from Sig (I will certainly say it isn't for everybody, but those who like them love them... the initial press was bad but there's enough love for the design that calling it a miss is too harsh, IMO), the Beretta 92 (among many other designs) just just a classic. I have one of those too (and several 1911s), and it's just a great gun. I do wish Beretta was a bit more serious about developing it as a family (with compact options... while they exist, they're really hard to find).
It comes down to different strokes for different folks. They make more than one kind of gun because there's more than one kind of shooter. It is very possible to determine that a kind of gun just isn't for you while still seeing it as a decent firearm. No reason to feel bad about that.
LockedBreech
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Technosavant said:
You and me both, brother. The lack of a current-production 92-derivative single stack 9mm is insanity!
As mentioned earlier, people either love 'em or hate 'em. I have a P250C 9mm for nightstand duty and a hybrid (P250 subcompact 9mm slide on a bobbed P250C grip module) for EDC. I love the KISS controls and the excellent DAO trigger gives me only one action type to master (unlike DA/SA where you have to master both DA & SA plus the transition).
I won't criticize anyone who chooses something different (YMMV and all that), but I find little to fault w/the P250 for my needs.
OP: You might consider the SIG SP2022, it's very underrated, IMHO, and is my 2nd fav SIG after the P250.
Tomac
I won't criticize anyone who chooses something different (YMMV and all that), but I find little to fault w/the P250 for my needs.
OP: You might consider the SIG SP2022, it's very underrated, IMHO, and is my 2nd fav SIG after the P250.
Tomac
I LOVE my P250c, its the only semi auto handgun I own and I shot at least 50 different kinds before I settled on the P250. It is reliable as the sun! It lays beside my pillow every night loaded with Hornady CD, it goes into the safe every morning and the LCR comes out and out the door with me 
There are people who really like them and that is great. Once the bugs were worked out if you like a longggggggggg smooth DAO trigger with a longggggggggggg reset then the P250 might be the gun for you.
It is considered a miss IMHO on many fronts.
First and foremost it was rushed to market. Sig allowed the paying buying public to do the final QC of this gun. It seems like most of the bugs have been worked out in the current versions. The trigger is so unlike traditional P series guns that many of the Sig fanbase was turned off by the pistols function and then the QC problems only compounded it.
It has been a flop in the LEO world. Its one big contract Sweeden cancelled after it found Sig in default after the 4th production sample failed their pistol trials.
Then to make matters worse when it eliminated from the ATF trials Sig claimed that the "ATF placed too great an emphasis upon reliability in determining which offers should continue to phase III."
The modular concept never took off. It was marketed to the commerical shooter and LEOs as way to have multiple guns from the same platform but in the end it was too expensive especially once the pistol was discounted to the sub $400 price point the extra frames and caliber kits made no economical sense.
The only way they sell them is to price them under the competition. They really only move when they are below $400 If you like the trigger they are a decent value for $350 to $400 but there is has never sold well. IMHO
None of this really makes it a bad pistol. It makes it what it is. I sold mine long ago but I can understand why a lot of traditional revolver shooters might like it.
WVsig said; "I sold mine long ago but I can understand why a lot of traditional revolver shooters might like it."
And that is exactly why I like this pistol, it feels like a revolver with reserve rounds, I shoot this handgun just like I shoot any DA revolver, very accurate/consistant. I know I will disable any one that I "God forbid" point it at.
I think its one of the finest pistols made IMHO!
And that is exactly why I like this pistol, it feels like a revolver with reserve rounds, I shoot this handgun just like I shoot any DA revolver, very accurate/consistant. I know I will disable any one that I "God forbid" point it at.
I think its one of the finest pistols made IMHO!
Technosavant
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My understanding is that the modular concept, while sold here in the US, was really more intended for Germany where total numbers of handguns that can be owned are limited. If you can only have a couple handguns one that can be switched around at will makes a lot of sense. If there's no upper limit there's little point in saving $100 or so in getting a conversion kit other than a complete other gun (but then, there are occasional reasons for it).
I will agree that it was a commercial miss, but the reports of unreliability all miss the actual nature of that unreliability. All we know is that for some reason it failed a test done by a fed agency... that reason, so far as I know, has never been revealed. Since then Sig has done some minor tweaking and all reports are that it's as solid as Gibraltar now. My P250s have been solid, I've yet to read someone who says their (updated) model has been problematic. All the dislike is about the trigger, which I can understand is not for everybody. There's a reason DAOs are a rather small part of the semiauto market.
Sig still thought enough of the design to make the P320 an evolution of the P250 design- it uses a different fire control module and slide but all the rest is the same as the P250 (I *think* the barrel is the same, I *know* the grip frames and magazines are... at least Sig said they were). The P320 may be a case of too little too late for many, but in terms of a decently functioning pistol with good ergonomics, the P250 and its descendant seem to be very much a "hit."
Independent George
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I love the modular design, but I never understood the point to DAO in a full-sized gun. It kind-of makes sense in a pocket gun like the Nano, but for a duty weapon? Why?
Why not DAO in a service handgun? It provides a single type of action to master (ie: DAO instead of DA, SA & the transition, for example), the long trigger pull makes every shot deliberate (ie: reduces the chances of a stress-induced ND) and in the case of the P250 provides a DA that's superior to any DA/SA pistol that's anywhere near the price of the P250. JMHO...
Tomac
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It was always my understanding that the P250 was designed by Sig in the US mainly for the US market but I could be wrong. I always understood the modular concept was to help fit many different shooters and many different needs, compact vs full sized duty gun, with one single platform.
I agree the reliability seems to be worked out now that the buying public has given Sig enough feedback on what did not work with the pistol. As it failed 2 different pistol trials on 2 different continents so I do not think that you can blame its failures on the ATF as Sig attempted to do.
The P320 IMHO is not an evolution of the P250 as much as it is a replacement. Agencies are not looking for DAO revolver style trigger systems for guns they are looking for striker fired tactical plastic. Sig lacked that in their line up so they leveraged existing technology within the Sig lineup and developed a striker system for it to save time and money. IMHO very smart but they only did that because no one at the contract level wants the P250. Have to find a way to move some metal or in this case poly.....
I actually think the P320 will sell more than the P250 and eventually replace it. Almost no one in todays market is seeking out a DAO polymer pistol. The polymer market is dominate by striker guns and that IMHO is what most people are looking for. Some are looking for lighter polymer versions of their favorite metal guns like the CZ line but again they are in the minority. I find most people who want a hammer want a metal gun. YMMV.
Initial reports about the P320 trigger are positive and the main complaint about the P250 is the trigger. People like the frame ergos. It might be a very popular gun in CA because of the timing of its release. There the modular concept will be an advantage.
I think if you like the P250 trigger they are a great value today because at a $350 price point there is not much else that is as good NIB but I think if you move up in price to even $450 your options really open up and Glock, Sig P2022, CZ and M&P all start to come into play and offer much better options and long term viability.
No problem with the DAO part of this response but I think the DA on the P250 being superior to any DA/SA pistol at anywhere near the price of the P250 is simply not the case.
Sig P2022 can be had for $400 with night sights... and has a very long but ver smooth DA trigger and the SA is about what you would expect from a Sig.
You can get a CZ P07 Omega for almost the exact same price as the P250. I guess it all depends on what you consider "near" the price of a 250.
Again I am not knocking the gun in its current form but it is not for everyone and when I try to look at it objectively it is a good gun for the $$$ it currently sells at but is far from best in class when you consider it was supposed to sell in the $500+ range like the P320 is currently. Only by discounting it did people start to like it.
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johnwilliamson062
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I bought one of the guns during their blow-out deal earlier this year.
Better trigger than my Kahr, but not by much.
I found almost all the controls more difficult than my Glock.
I traded it after a few weeks. Fastest I have ever traded a firearm.
Better trigger than my Kahr, but not by much.
I found almost all the controls more difficult than my Glock.
I traded it after a few weeks. Fastest I have ever traded a firearm.