Traveling to NJ

A state that bans slingshots is not a state I'd trust to honor the FOPA.
FOAP mean absolutely squat. He plans on staying for a week and the FOAP did squat for the fellow flying that was forced to stay overnight and was placed under arrest the following morning
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If the state refuses to honor a federal law who would expect more leniency for that state's own laws. Again, DO NOT take any firearm into NJ.
During your week in NJ you are as likely to never need to defend yourself from thugs of any type.
 
A state that bans slingshots is not a state I'd trust..
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I'm not entirely certain NJ bans slingshots, though everyone seems to think so, a careful reading of the law might show differently.

I recall hearing about one jurisdiction, I think it was in NY, but might have been in NJ, where "slingshots" were banned. Someone did some digging, because, after all banning a kids slingshot??? sounded stupid.

He found out that the current ordnance "banning slingshots" was copied from an old 1800s law that banned "slung shot".

They sound a lot alike, but there is a significant difference between a slingshot, and "slung shot". Slung shot is NOT the past tense of slingshot.

Slung shot is shot "slung" (fired) from a sling. Think David and Goliath, that kind of sling (or a staff sling), and is entirely capable of being lethal. "Sling bullets" are round or oval, often lead, and the sling is capable of much, much higher velocity than the rubber band or tubing used in a kid's slingshot.

If I remember right, the law was rewritten and kids got to keep their slingshots.
 
They are banned in NJ...

What happened (from how I was told it went down), legislation was passed to ban slung shots (David/Goliath). At the time, people were using them to strike people during a theft.

So it all goes through, voted, and when the person typing it up looked at it, they figured that they misspelled slingshot. Fixed it, and never was changed.

In essence, the thing they wanted to ban was still legal, and something they didn't want to ban was made illegal.
 
Don't take any firearms, and don't take any ammunition of any sort.
The odds of being arrested are higher than the odds of needing to defend yourself.
Carry a heavy cane and limp if you have to.

Slung shot is shot "slung" (fired) from a sling. Think David and Goliath, that kind of sling (or a staff sling), and is entirely capable of being lethal.
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That's not even close.
"Slung shot" is a weight on a "sling" that can be used as a striking weapon similar to a mace:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slungshot
A slungshot is a maritime tool consisting of a weight, or "shot," affixed to the end of a long cord often by being wound into the center of a knot called a "monkey's fist." It is used to cast line from one location to another, often mooring line.

The cord end is tied to the heavier line and the weighted end of the slungshot is thrown across the intervening space where a person picks it up and pulls the line across.

The slungshot was often used as a civilian or improvised weapon; however, the rope was much shorter for use as a weapon. The cord is tied around the wrist, and the weight is carried in the hand or the pocket of the user. A slungshot may be swung in a manner similar to that of a flail.

Abraham Lincoln's most notable criminal trial occurred in 1858 when he successfully defended "Duff" Armstrong, on a charge of killing another with a slung shot.

They were widely used by criminals and street gang members in the 19th century as they had the advantage of being easy to make, silent, and very effective, particularly against an unsuspecting opponent.

This gave them a dubious reputation, similar to that of switchblade knives in the 1950s, and they were outlawed in many jurisdictions. The use as a criminal weapon continued at least up until the early 1920s.[1]
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FITASC said:
Based on what facts?
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Read up on NJ 2C:39 and 2C:58...

While I feel his wording (post you quoted) was probably wrong, any person going into another state with a firearm should know the laws. Handguns are illegal for transportation, unless between certain points in NJ. If you don't have a NJ FID card, you have similar restrictions for long guns (with the FID, long guns can sit in your vehicle like anything else). Exceptions being LEOSA.

For ammunition, there is not one issue with any ammo... if you are committing a crime (carrying a firearm illegally), having hollow-points with it is an additional charge. But hollow-points or any ammunition is not illegal... by itself.

As the situation that was described by the OP, he did not say the home was his... so a handgun or long gun would be illegal in regards to transporting. If it was discovered, he likely would be arrested. People forget that a lot of things come from simple traffic stops... and I know that NJSP is doing a major ticket writing campaign between the 6/28 and 7/28, on the major highways across the state. It is very likely the OP will go on one of these roads during his trip.

Also, we don't know where he is staying... but unless it is something like Camden, Newark, or someplace similar, the likelihood of needing a gun is pretty low. Even in those areas, situational aware by itself is better than having a gun without it.

Now, if he brought a firearm into NJ, would he get caught? Probably not, but most people will not advocate something illegal... I sure as will won't. Doesn't matter what happens during his time in NJ, based on NJ criminal code, he does not have any legal reason to be in possession of any firearm. If you want to go through it and find something that I know isn't in there... go right ahead.
 
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Based on what facts?
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More people are arrested than use a gun for self defense.

Hollowpoints for hunting are legal for NJ residents to possess under specific conditions:

http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition
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N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
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Visitors shouldn't carry any guns or ammo.
 
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Carry? Agree; bring to the state? A blanket NO guns is silly as folks come there all the time to shoot and hunt
 
FITASC said:
Carry? Agree; bring to the state? A blanket NO guns is silly as folks come there all the time to shoot and hunt
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That is what you are confusing...

NJ doesn't allow people to just drive around with firearms. You can take your firearms from your home to another property you own, to a range, to your personally owned business (must be a physical location, not something that moves or a job site), to a dealer, or hunting. Only reasonable deviations are allowed between those places... which there actually is no real definition in what such a deviation is.

If the OP had a NJ FID, then he is allowed to leave a long gun in his vehicle, and is exempt from the transportation restrictions. Handguns still follow the above restrictions, minus hunting (not allowed for hunting in NJ).

I was looking for a holster maker in NJ, being I had a CZ with a unique setup that I wanted a Kydex holster made for. Emailed about it to some local companies, and for the ones that were capable of doing the work, they could not accept my pistol to work off, being they did not fall into one of the places I listed above. Had to go to the Oaks gun show (PA) to have one made for me.

As stated, you are correct... people do hunt and shoot in NJ. However, the OP did not say he was doing that. Even if he did, the way the law is written, he is supposed to go back home after hunting/shooting at a range. There are aspects of NJ law that are very vague, like reasonable deviations, but parts that are very clear... like where you are allowed to take a firearm. There are clear locations described, and the FID does allow some leeway with long guns.

So no, the blanket statement about not bringing guns into NJ is not silly. Do your research for yourself, but for someone that is living in NJ, I think I'd have a better understanding of the law than someone that suggested to bring a pistol grip shotgun into NJ because people hunt... see how far that gets you without a hunting license, and likely having a firearm that isn't legal to hunt with (NJ has hunting firearm laws based on the season; quick example, deer season... it is illegal for you to have slugs on you if your shotgun doesn't have rifle sights or a scope).

OP... do yourself a favor and leave the guns at home. Having one isn't worth the headache if you are pulled over and arrested... even how small the chance is. I mean, would you take a firearm into New York City, after the SAFE Act? I definitely recommend to carry as much as possible, but do it legally.
 
Carry? Agree; bring to the state? A blanket NO guns is silly as folks come there all the time to shoot and hunt
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But he's not going to "shoot and hunt".
He will also be passing through other areas where guns magazines and ammo could cause problems.
 
I was addressing the comments by folks who made blanket statements about never bringing a gun to NJ; mostly made by folks who have never been there.....
 
FITASC said:
I was addressing the comments by folks who made blanket statements about never bringing a gun to NJ; mostly made by folks who have never been there.....
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Understood, but saying just because people go to shoot in NJ doesn't mean bringing guns in is the best suggestion. I understand your point, but with the same token, the OP never mentioned any recreational need for firearms. Everyone should look up laws for anyplace they intend to bring a firearm for reasons like this.

And I have lived in NJ since I was born...
 
I was addressing the comments by folks who made blanket statements about never bringing a gun to NJ; mostly made by folks who have never been there
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No one made any such statements.
We were addressing the OP specifically, not the world in general.
And don't assume you know where others have been, because you'd often be mistaken.
 
I was addressing the comments by folks who made blanket statements about never bringing a gun to NJ; mostly made by folks who have never been there.....
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I am a 28 year refugee from the sad state of NJ. It is not worth the hassle for a resident from any state that is not NJ to bring a firearm there.
Being an embarrassed, born and bred Jersey guy, I'd never drop a penny in that state willingly again.
 
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