Topping off your 1911

To answer a question - a young guy.

You see young guys doing things they think are cool and 'operator' style.

The revolver closing flick is one.
 
Gunsmith Ned Christiansen did a test of this- he made fixture that snapped an extractor over the simulated rim of a cartridge in his mill about 25,000 times. According to him- no measurable wear.
 
Gunsmith Ned Christiansen did a test of this- he made fixture that snapped an extractor over the simulated rim of a cartridge in his mill about 25,000 times. According to him- no measurable wear.

He also shot a 1911 over 5,000 times without a recoil spring to prove that the slide / frame / barrel doesn't get "battered" and damaged by a weak or less than factory rated recoil spring.

I mean, how can you really trust the results from someone who actually tests things...?
 
But . . . was the extractor free to displace far enough to snap over the rim without bottoming in its tunnel?
It's supposed to flex, that's how it's designed, but if it can't flex enough, I think that's when you have an issue.
You'd think the hook would be strong enough to damage the rim, rather than the other way around, but I've had two extractors lose their hook.
 
The two I saw break, broke just behind the hook, and there was no hook, or even a tip, left on the extractor.
 
This man Christiansen has probably forgotten more about 1911 pistols than I will ever know and I wouldn't be foolish enough to compare myself to a known pistolsmith.

However, snapping an extractor violently over a case rim when the pistol is FULLY designed to have the case rim precisely glide up under it in perfectly executed fashion -AND- trying to sell me on the idea that "ain't no big deal" defies absolutely all logic AND it smells like a soft, warm dump.

If your 1911 pistol has a nice steel mainspring housing you can TOTALLY use it (quite effectively!) to pound nails through drywall and in to studs to hang pictures for the wife. Doing this 5,000 times is very unlikely to ruin your 1911 pistol (much) and it will totally drive nails -FAR- better than using your fist.

I won't do it short of am emergency. Others can/will do whatever they like.
 
Glad I read this.

Have had my 1911 45 less than a year and on more than one occasion have dropped a round in the chamber and the closed the slide. Yipes. Didn't know it could do damage. Guess that's why we have this forum, mutual education. Will cease that practice on all my semi-autos.

Live well, be safe
Prof Young
 
I own several semi autos - both hammer fired and striker fired - including two 1911s and, thus far, every one of the owner's manuals instructs to only load from the magazine. What's more, despite our custom, I don't think I've ever seen it indicated to chamber a round, drop the mag, top it off again and reinsert mag.
 
What's more, despite our custom, I don't think I've ever seen it indicated to chamber a round, drop the mag, top it off again and reinsert mag.

The manufacturers would not indicate that. That practice is only for when you want a full magazine plus one in the tube.

tipoc
 
Understood. But, although many semi autos are advertised 15 + 1, 17 + 1, etc., you'd think they'd offer it in the owner's manual as an alternative means of loading and carrying and adding an additional round. And despite the ads, the owner's manuals (that I've seen) just don't make any mention of it. Curious.
 
I used to get annoyed when some of our people practiced dropping a round directly into the chamber of our S&W 3rd gen's, but that was because I disliked having to replace/fit new extractors just because of someone's carelessness with an issued weapon. Ditto other brands, like Glocks & SIG's.

The spring-type internal 1911 extractor was designed to be stressed a certain way, and having to snap out & around a chambered round's case rim wasn't it. I've seen my share of 1911 extractor's suffer a loss of tension when loading the chamber directly (not from the magazine) was a frequent practice.

While most of the pistol armorer classes I've attended over the years have included warnings against directly loading barrel chambers, to help prevent damage to extractors, I found it interesting back when I attended my first M&P pistol armorer class in '07.

The instructor said that the then-new M&P extractor had been designed to have an especially robust forward shoulder. This was reportedly done in the event that a user had to perform a malfunction clearance practice that involved letting the slide run forward against a chambered round that was faulty (failed to fire, etc) and had to be extracted/ejected so a fresh round could be fed & chambered.

While they still didn't recommend loading the chamber directly as a regular practice, their engineers had made the extractor more robust to better allow the extractor's hook to withstand any emergency stress involved in some clearance manipulations. I thought that was interesting. They refer to the M&P extractor as a MIM "I-Beam" design, and the leading edge of the hook is certainly thick and robust. It's tall enough that the extractor has to be canted in order for the hook to clear the ejection port and position the extractor to be installed in the slide, unlike the narrower 3rd gen/SW1911 extractors that easily slip into the recess.

Anyway, while I used to find it annoying that some owners/users would seemingly be willing to abuse their pistol extractors, I got over such annoyance the longer I've been an armorer supporting different makes/models. I can always spend a little bench time to correct, repair or replace something damaged by someone.

However, in the long run, if someone ends up doing something that causes damage to their weapon (whether issued or personally-owned) which compromises its integrity and ability to properly function ... it's not my immediate problem. It's their problem. Sometimes you can't save the world, let alone some people from themselves.

At least on a range (whether for training or sport/competition) such problems only cause loss of time or score, and people have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes. If they're willing.
 
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