Top 5 Assault Rifles!
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1- Sig 550's reliable and very accurate
2-AK-47 you pull the trigger and it fires every time
3- M-16 accurate and the most adaptable platform on earth
4-FAMAS it may be ugly but it is well balanced and accurate
5-M-14 just thought I'd throw in a .308 MBR and that is my favorite one accurate, reliable and making a comeback
2-AK-47 you pull the trigger and it fires every time
3- M-16 accurate and the most adaptable platform on earth
4-FAMAS it may be ugly but it is well balanced and accurate
5-M-14 just thought I'd throw in a .308 MBR and that is my favorite one accurate, reliable and making a comeback
The problem is that the military doesn't use that adaptability. It is in the civilian market where that is used.
The don't issue 9mm subgun uppers with 8" barrels for CQC. They don't issue 50 Beowulf uppers for anti-vehicle checkpoints. There are plenty of accessories for the AR-15, but that is not unique to that platform. Years ago there was little available for AK owners. Today the number of accessories for the AK is just as much as the AR-15.
"...The G3 is not an assault rifle..." Neither are any of the others except for the AK. An assualt rifle is a select fire rifle chambered in the same calibre as the regular PBI rifle with a smaller case. There have been exactly two. The STG44 and the AK47. The rest are battle rifles.
However, the question isn't about 'assualt' rifles. It's about select fire rifles. Firepower's 1, 2 and maybe 3 with the proviso of the M4 being a variation of the M16, isn't far off. Mind you, the Belgian made FAL is up there too.
"...watched a show on the military channel that rated the top 10 battle rifles of all time..." The Military Channel is known as the American Propaganda Re-Run Channel, up here. Not exactly a reliable source for anything. It's TV. They've been airing the same shows over and over since 2004.
However, the question isn't about 'assualt' rifles. It's about select fire rifles. Firepower's 1, 2 and maybe 3 with the proviso of the M4 being a variation of the M16, isn't far off. Mind you, the Belgian made FAL is up there too.
"...watched a show on the military channel that rated the top 10 battle rifles of all time..." The Military Channel is known as the American Propaganda Re-Run Channel, up here. Not exactly a reliable source for anything. It's TV. They've been airing the same shows over and over since 2004.
Heh?T. O'Heir said:
The definition of an assault rifle caliber would be Any intermediate(by definition) powered cartridge ..Not Just 7.62x39 or 7.92x33 Kurz, 5.56 qualifies (even if barely) ..in a Carbine size, Select fire, hi cap rifle.
Apparently .30 carbine falls short powerwise and was considered to close to pistol powered than an in between rifle and pistol power ..otherwise the select-fire version M2 carbines could have qualified also .
MBR's(main battle rifles) use Full-power carts ie: 7.62x51, 7.92x57 etc..
Not the calibers first mentioned here other than the G3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle
rampage841512
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I'd agree that those all should be in the top ten RIFLES, but I don't agree with the rankings or some of the classification. Boltguns assualt rifles? Maybe in their time, but not now. If your going to include bolt action rifles yous should be including Kentucky Rifles too, IMHO. The FAL should have beat out both the M16 and the AK47, as well.
Assault rifle
The German Sturmgewehr (MP 43/44/Stg 44) is the prototypical assault rifle. The salient features are select fire, and intermediate size cartridge (more than a pistol, less than the standard WWII infantry rifle round).
Sturmgewehr translates to "Assault rifle". it could also be translated as "Storm rifle".
Most assault rifles have straight line stocks (or close to it), pistol grips, large capacity detachable magazines, flash suppressors/muzzle brakes, bayonet lugs, and may feature synthetic stocks. These features, while common, do not determine if a rifle fits in the assault rifle catgegory. Only the caliber, and the ability for select fire make it an assault rifle.
Semiauto rifles (or handguns) which have straight line stocks (or close to it), pistol grips, large capacity detachable magazines, flash suppressors/muzzle brakes, bayonet lugs, magazines which do not enter the pistol grip, and may feature synthetic stocks are classed in the media (and in some US law) as "assault weapons", a term made up entirely based on the cosmetic features of the gun, not on the caliber or the function. Assault weapon is an anti-gunner BS term and we should not use it.
Assault rifle is a proper firearms term (in use since 1944/45) and when used in the correct context is entirely proper.
Select fire rifles using a full power round are generally called "battle rifles". Full auto rifles (without semi auto function) are called "automatic rifles" in general use, but under US legal definition are machine guns, as are assault rifles, because of the ability for full auto fire.
Assault pistol is another BS anti gunner term, and we should not use it. Small automatic rifles firing pistol caliber ammo are submachine guns. Because they fire full auto, under US law they are classed as machine guns for legal purposes. Full auto handguns are rare (very few models made), and under US law would also be machineguns.
Calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is wrong. It is incorrect. Calling it an assault weapon is drinking the anti-gunners kool-aid. It was technically correct, under the definitions of the 1994 AWB, but that bill has sunset in 2004, and no longer has any legal standing. Calling an M16 an assault rifle is correct.
The only oddball in the definitions is the M2 Carbine. Remember the definitions come from the WWII era when the assault rifle was first fielded(except for those made up by the antis), and at that time, the .30 carbine round was considered an oversize pistol round, and was not included in the pistol category (being more powerful than standard pistol rounds, and with no pistols made for it, at the time). Likelwise, it was not big (powerful) enough to be considered an intermediate power round, so it was not included in the assault rifle category. Neither fish nor fowl, nor good red meat, the full auto (select fire) M2 carbine got classed all by itself for definitions, but is considered a machinegun under US law.
So, if your select fire rifle chambers the 7.92x33, the 7.62x39, the 5.56mm, or some equivalent round, it can be an assault rifle. If it chambers the 7.62x51, the 7.62x54R, the .30-06, the 8x57, the 7x57 or some equivalent round, it is not an assault rifle, and it is incorrect and improper to refer to it as such.
ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS?
The German Sturmgewehr (MP 43/44/Stg 44) is the prototypical assault rifle. The salient features are select fire, and intermediate size cartridge (more than a pistol, less than the standard WWII infantry rifle round).
Sturmgewehr translates to "Assault rifle". it could also be translated as "Storm rifle".
Most assault rifles have straight line stocks (or close to it), pistol grips, large capacity detachable magazines, flash suppressors/muzzle brakes, bayonet lugs, and may feature synthetic stocks. These features, while common, do not determine if a rifle fits in the assault rifle catgegory. Only the caliber, and the ability for select fire make it an assault rifle.
Semiauto rifles (or handguns) which have straight line stocks (or close to it), pistol grips, large capacity detachable magazines, flash suppressors/muzzle brakes, bayonet lugs, magazines which do not enter the pistol grip, and may feature synthetic stocks are classed in the media (and in some US law) as "assault weapons", a term made up entirely based on the cosmetic features of the gun, not on the caliber or the function. Assault weapon is an anti-gunner BS term and we should not use it.
Assault rifle is a proper firearms term (in use since 1944/45) and when used in the correct context is entirely proper.
Select fire rifles using a full power round are generally called "battle rifles". Full auto rifles (without semi auto function) are called "automatic rifles" in general use, but under US legal definition are machine guns, as are assault rifles, because of the ability for full auto fire.
Assault pistol is another BS anti gunner term, and we should not use it. Small automatic rifles firing pistol caliber ammo are submachine guns. Because they fire full auto, under US law they are classed as machine guns for legal purposes. Full auto handguns are rare (very few models made), and under US law would also be machineguns.
Calling an AR-15 an assault rifle is wrong. It is incorrect. Calling it an assault weapon is drinking the anti-gunners kool-aid. It was technically correct, under the definitions of the 1994 AWB, but that bill has sunset in 2004, and no longer has any legal standing. Calling an M16 an assault rifle is correct.
The only oddball in the definitions is the M2 Carbine. Remember the definitions come from the WWII era when the assault rifle was first fielded(except for those made up by the antis), and at that time, the .30 carbine round was considered an oversize pistol round, and was not included in the pistol category (being more powerful than standard pistol rounds, and with no pistols made for it, at the time). Likelwise, it was not big (powerful) enough to be considered an intermediate power round, so it was not included in the assault rifle category. Neither fish nor fowl, nor good red meat, the full auto (select fire) M2 carbine got classed all by itself for definitions, but is considered a machinegun under US law.
So, if your select fire rifle chambers the 7.92x33, the 7.62x39, the 5.56mm, or some equivalent round, it can be an assault rifle. If it chambers the 7.62x51, the 7.62x54R, the .30-06, the 8x57, the 7x57 or some equivalent round, it is not an assault rifle, and it is incorrect and improper to refer to it as such.
ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS?
Michael A. Le Lack
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ASS.ualt.weapom
Please.see.post.#4,less.words.same.thought.
Please.see.post.#4,less.words.same.thought.
Catchabullet
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republican24/7
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How about the Sturmgewer 44...? The grandfather of all assault rifles?
Firepower!
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Well if people read the posts before typing less than intelligent and redundant posts, they will realize that I have changed the term assualt to automatic after nonchalant whinning.
An automatic rifle that I use for assualt formation is an assualt rifle for me regardless of what you guys say.
I practically live in war zone with automatic weapons unlike ppl who are commenting non stop on terms and yet have not been in a combat ever.
This is as polite I can be to tell folks out their to get a life.
An automatic rifle that I use for assualt formation is an assualt rifle for me regardless of what you guys say.
I practically live in war zone with automatic weapons unlike ppl who are commenting non stop on terms and yet have not been in a combat ever.
This is as polite I can be to tell folks out their to get a life.
Catchabullet
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i still say the 416
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS
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Actually Crosshair, the weak points on the MP-44 do not include a weak receiver. It's not as easily dented as you think. The problems with the MP-44 include complicated mechanism in pistol grip (though it's very reliable), weak buttstock connection (using the MP-44 as a club will break it as easily as a M-16), and the 7.92x33 round's bullet is a bit too heavy for the powder charge (Russian 7.62x39 is superior). The MP-44 is also a bit longer and bulkier than the AK-47. It's darn good for a gun that was developed so quickly and rushed into production, but it was doomed primarily by a lack of ammo produced for it.
Southern_guy
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I'd go for:
1. AK-47
2. M-16
3. FN FAL
4. Steyr AUG
5. M14
6. AK-74
7. P90
1. AK-47
2. M-16
3. FN FAL
4. Steyr AUG
5. M14
6. AK-74
7. P90