Tookie's Execution?

How would you handle Tookie?

  • Grant clemency. He'd still rot in jail and you'd avoid riots.

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Whack him. Declare all rioters as terrorists and shoot on sight.

    Votes: 27 50.0%

  • Whack him. Prepare the riot squads with non-lethal countermeasures.

    Votes: 20 37.0%

  • Whack him. Do nothing in preparation.

    Votes: 4 7.4%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
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azredhawk44

Moderator
So, Tookie is supposed to be lethal-injected Tuesday at midnight.

Is that midnight on Monday evening, or Tuesday evening?

The clemency decision will be coming down either tonite or tomorrow nite, either way.

Here's an idea: My own personal definition of terrorism runs along these lines: Terrorism is the act of threatening and resorting to violence in order to obtain objectives or concessions from a government. The violence will not necessarily be directed against military or law enforcement, but more likely be pointed to the general populace. This is the difference between insurgents or freedom fighters and terrorists.

If the Crips use the tookie case as a place to dictate to the government that they demand his release or pardon "or else", I would consider that an act of terrorism.

If I were Arnold, I would make a public declaration that riots over tookie's execution would be seen as an act of terrorism. I would instruct my officers to shoot all rioters wearing any demonstrable gang-sign clothing (uniform under the geneva conventions?).

If you were governator, how would you handle it?
 
Avoid Locking the thread: have meaningful discussion!

On a serious note, this Tookie situation has been highlighting something I have been considering fo rawhile now?

Why is our govt SOOO unwilling to put the smack down on terrorists? etc? or in this case, whomever may riot at the execution of Tookie?

I've been thinking that it is simple fear. The threat of violence and destruction of their own hides, nothing more.

Look, they know that the radicle terrorist elements are willing to kill them, to die doing so ro trying to do so, and can get access to their person eventually. So they are afraid!

Rioters? willing to shoot first, burnn things, rape, pillage, etc.

To keep it gun related, the converse arguement is: why are govt thugs WILLING to put the smack down on peaceable gun owners? Cuz they know that in general we WONT react violently. We tend to pay the fines if levied, we come quietly if arrested, etc. This is the other side of the COWARDICE coin.

Ayone willing to discourse politely, and genuinely on that?

C-
 
You *do* know that a similar thread has been running in the general forum (although it seems to have petered out now)...

Tim
 
Cpileri -

My guns will never be given to the government. I will move away from a state that demands that. When all states demand that, I will hide the big ones and keep one or two of the smaller ones handy around the house for "routine" protection. If the JBT's come, the big ones will be hidden away from me or loaded and with me.

Purely because of NOLA and riots, they will never be taken from me.

I think "Cowardice" is an awfully nasty word to be throwing around here. We have been known to react violently to JBT's in the past. Remember Ruby Ridge? That started because a couple of n'er do well JBT's tresspassed on Weaver's land and got shot at for their trouble.
 
I heard on NPR this morning that the Kalifornistan supreme court gave thumbs down...It's up to Arnold now


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While I agree that nothing good can come of this....

What will happen when Tookie is executed? in light of the riots that occured after the Rodney King Incident? We do have a historical precedent in California.
 
Enough already - give Tookie what he deserves!!

He was found guilty at trial, and scentenced to die by the court. Why should he receive the mercy that he denied the people he murdered??

We have a squadron of dip*hit leftist/socialist Hollywood celebs screeching for him - so what???

Last time I checked, Hollywood does not run the courts, although they seem to think it is their God-given right to run presidential elections:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
it worked!

QUOTE:"I think "Cowardice" is an awfully nasty word to be throwing around ..."

I left the "cowardice' sentence in there to be deliberately confusing.

I knew it could be read to believe it refered to TFLers. Actually, i was referring to the aforementioned govt thugs: picking on otherwise law-abiding and peaceable citizens is commonly known as bullying; and is in fact a sign of cowardice. Preying on the non-threatening, easy money, safe targets; etc.

But it could indeed be applied broadly, with different details and circumstances, and be a very good topic for discussion which might keep this thread onn the up-and-up and therefore OPEN.

C-
 
I said, "Whack him; do nothing in preparation."


My reasoning?

If you call out the national guard in preparation, you know that people will rise to "meet the challenge." They'll act like they were baited by the government behaving like it's expecting the worst of them. They'll act insulted and as though they're rioting with righteous indignation.


If you shoot rioters on sight, you play into the hands of those who will defend such scum at any cost. They'll just talk about how wronged the innocent little rioters were at the hands of the nasty cops/soldiers and make the rioters look like the victims.


I say, let everyone just do what they're gonna do. If they don't riot, great, that speaks well of the public. If they do, they can tear the city down and the authorities can say, "Well, why should we have acted like we were going to have to put down murderous riots? These are American citizens, mature adults... You're suggesting that we should have called out troops just in case they could not come to grips with a decision they didn't agree with?"

I think we should let the people be their best or worst. This could turn into another New Orleans, if it comes down that the people end up desperately needing guns that they have been denied. And then we can make our case understood once again.


-azurefly
 
White, black, brown, yellow or green dosent matter

You do the crime
Your dead.
Its amazing how wonderful these people can become after there looking execution in the face, but one thing I remember reading.
The proof was beyond question.
He never offerd apology, or anything.
He has done so much to help others to turn away from the life style he lead.
I would suggest he show one more thing.
Show how crime pays, and I think its going to happen around midnight.
Good by, good ridance and all you hollywoodstupid types, Shut up!
 
I don't recall there ever being a riot in the winter. April is usually the earliest you see em. Plus I don't know of anyone who would die for tookie, none are stepping forward in the media. I could be wrong but I don't think there will be riots.

If there are riots I know for a fact that the criminal element has worked hard to arm themselves despite the police..

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Declare all rioters as terrorists and shoot on sight
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Eh?

Why is everyone so quick to accuse someone who might be in disagreement a terrorist? I dunno, when I was younger, terrorists were those guys who hijacked airplanes, blew buildings up, and caused terror for political gain.

Seems like nowadays, a terrorist is anyone you don't agree with, or a guerrilla group fighitng against an invading army.

I guess "demosocialist" is due to get replaced with "terrorcrat" any day now.

People really need to sit down and relax.

As for Tookie? Thank God I don't have to decide, as his punishment doesn't rest on my concious and soul forever. Again, some people are mighty quick to judge 'round here. Now, I'm no theologian, but I seem to remember something about he without sin casting the first stone.

Lotta saints on this board...
 
..thank God I am not so weak that I am afraid to make a judgement of what is right or wrong..good or evil....otherwise I may not stand up for anything ..I would be like those who only stand against anything or everything...ball in a pinball machine values
 
. Again, some people are mighty quick to judge 'round here.

Got to be right on this one, 26 years is mighty quick:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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As for Tookie? Thank God I don't have to decide, as his punishment doesn't rest on my concious and soul forever. Again, some people are mighty quick to judge 'round here. Now, I'm no theologian, but I seem to remember something about he without sin casting the first stone.

Lotta saints on this board...
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You don't have to be a saint to know that an unrepentant murderer deserves to die for his crimes.

I haven't murdered anybody, so yeah, I can cast that stone with a clear conscience. (Besides, I'm not a christian so I'm not bound by such rules, anyway.)

Let's think about this:

- He is assured of being the one who did the murders.
- He won't own up to having done the murders.
- The evidence against him was overwhelming.
- The crimes were brutal.
- If the sentence had been carried out in anything even remotely resembling timeliness, he would never have been able to do this b.s. "making good" with these anti-gang children's books so that there could be a question of him being better to us alive than crispy (oh, wait, too bad it's gonna be the needle not the chair).

IF he were penitent, there would be an issue of "is he worth more alive than dead" but he's not. And even then, I think we should be considering whether he should be executed as though it is right after his conviction, not later on.

How many quickly executed people could have devoted themselves to trying to convince others not to join gangs if only they too had been given 25+ years waiting for the date with the needle?

And while we're asking questions, does anyone believe that L.A. (and the country) has had some difficulty finding willing gang members? It's not as though Dookie has caused the supply to dry up. If we could see evidence that we enjoy an ABSENCE of gang activity -- even just an absence of CRIPS gang activity -- because of Dookie's actions, I would examine the case for trace reasons to grant him clemency.

No such reasons exist.


-azurefly
 
You know i'm actually on the fence on this one. On one hand I trully believe the so called "man" deserves to die for what he did. In which case I formally vote to whack him and call the police up in preparation for the riots. (Since kalifonistans don't have anything better to do than to riot when something doesn't go their way).

On the other hand, granting clemency......then locking him in solitary confinement with no matress, no light, and only bread and water for the rest of his natural life does have a nice ring to it. Heck, bread and water can't cost that much to the tax payers, and since he'll be in the dark for the rest of his eternity, he won't need new clothes either.:cool:
 
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