Took my carry class re-new last Saturday... funny

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Magnum Wheel Man

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I was one of two to qualify with a revolver, & I think the 1st this ( particularly good instructor ) ever had qualify with an antique...

funny thing is that my range times were no slower than any of the 9mm's that made up the balance of the class ( since we had to put 5 rounds in each mag, & only using 2 mags, so the shooter had to reload 4 of the mags on the line... & then do 6 mag changes ) I as able to load 5 rounds in my 5 round cylinder & the top break ejected the rounds on to the table in front of me, my reloads were faster than most of those stuffing mags ... I used my snubbie top break S&W #2 ( single action, spur trigger ) in 38 S&W & easily kept all 30 rounds onto the 8.5 X 11" sheet of paper that was the target...

the old gal ( my "everyday" carry gun ) still rocks ;)

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Little Bill Daggett - Unforgiven

Look son, being a good shot, being quick with a pistol, that don't do no harm, but it don't mean much next to being cool-headed. A man who will keep his head and not get rattled under fire, like as not, he'll kill ya. It ain't so easy to shoot a man anyhow, especially if the son-of-a-bitch is shootin' back at you.
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Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill... ;)
 
On my way home from the range yesterday I had my new to me S&W .32HE in my pocket, loaded with some wad cutters.

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Gonna stop a bear? No. Gonna make a scumbag think twice about stealing my stuff? Heck yes.
 
You may have some emotional attachment to that old piece, but it's a poor choice to bet your life on.
The only reason it did so...well...compared to the autos was because of the artificial handicaps the instructor placed on the courses of fire.

Including magazine changes on the line I can see, but forcing participants to load magazines on the clock strikes me as utterly pointless.
Denis
 
but it's a poor choice to bet your life on.
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Why because a old pistol or only 5 shot 38S&W been around for a long time I carried one for a time . About same as 380 ball . I like my 45 and my 1911 But I been known to carry a 38S&W and even a S&W top break Lemon Squeezer 32 short. from early 1900's These rounds were used in SD for a long time before internet and the got to be a mag or start with min of 4 in caliber. Gun boards.

He likes it he shoots it and he carries it. What the problem :)
 
... one mans opinion... & it may be a poor choice for you to bet your life on... but you have no clue about mine...

IMO... it's better than my 32 S&W... no worse than my .380 TCP ( I hand load & chrony these loads... they are pretty darn similar to the 380 )... not quite as good as my 9 or 10 mm's, or my 44 special or my custom 45 Colt... hmm... not sure how it'd "really" fair against my 32 H&R magnum J frame... or my 5.7 X 28 ???

point being... if "you" feel it's not good for "you" to carry... that's just fine... the gun is not for sale... I have many other options to use, yet the 38 S&W straps on my belt more than any other... being a collector & a guy that reloads over 50 different cartridges... I'm confident in my opinion & my proficiency with the weapon, as well as the guns performance, , to me that's all that matters for my personal use... & even if 100's of shooters told me I was stupid for carrying it... it's not going to change my ( qualified ) opinion for my personal use...

I think way too many people get caught up in both capacity & in caliber... ( I have several 50 calibers... both revolvers & semi autos... I suppose I aught to be carrying them :o ) in reality... this gun has enough penitration with the self defense loads I use ( not my target loads ) that if I can pull this gun, & shoot it acurately & proficiently enough to put 2 bullets in the chest of an attacker, it's going to do it's job... if the bad guy doesn't stop the attack, or there are more than one attacker I'm quite capable of putting the next 2 in the head at normal self defense distances... still leaves leaves one more round for clean up if needed...

BTW... I'm not beating up the high capacity guys... I live a pretty low risk small town life style... but I have a compact 9, a full sized 10, & my 5-seven any of which could accompany me down town "big city" if I felt the need, & that's why they are in my carry battery... but for everyday small town life... my antique S&W suits me just fine... & it's nice to know I can qualify with it as good as I could with one of the more modern guns :)
 
Lucky any of our ancestors survived, saddled with 32 and 38 S&W. Lets not forget the people who carried the rimfires either. No speedloaders either. The classic 32 and 38 revolver cartridges satisfiy the first rule of gunfighting ie. have a gun. TR picked the 32 as the first issue revolver for the NYPD and for many years the 32 and 38 S&W were standard police calibers. Europe soldiered on with the 32 and 380 autos until the 70's and the bad guys did not wipe out the police or citizens. The old classic cartridges and their guns may not be the best choise but they can still save your butt when the SHTF. I will drop a 32 H&R breaktop or my old LLama .32 auto in my pocket if I am just running down to the Big M for chainsaw fuel(PBR) and have been known to carry my Webley MKIV even in the big city. Doesn't worry me much.
 
Kudos to you Magnum Wheel Man.

I have been known to shoot a 50m pistol competition with a pocket pistol and when roaming around carry some weird and wonderful stuff.

I also sometimes shoot events with a severe handicap as far as equipment is concerned, this has taught me something important. If one shoots at 8 targets with a revolver and you have the option of an 8 shot revolver in said competition, by all means use it.

I find myself shooting a 6 shot 686 in the 8 shot events many times because i WANT to shoot that gun. I always shoot better with the gun i crave to shoot. Its no use forcing myself to shoot a gun im not in the mood for.

So i agree with you 100%. Rather carry a gun you know and know how to use than something Tommy Lee said is cool.
 
Way back when, people hunted mammoths with flint-tipped spears and used them for defense against cave bears.
At the time, when that was the best technology available, a flint spear was a good choice.

Today, you'd deliberately choose to hunt an elephant or defend against a bear with a spear just because it "used to work then, why wouldn't it work now?" You'd deliberately choose to stake your life on a long-outdated slow-firing revolver of inferior metallurgy in a very marginal caliber?
Yes, lotsa mammoths died, and bears undoubtedly too, but what were the actual percentages compared to the hunters that died also in the process?

If the nostalgia factor overrides reality for you, it's your choice.
I'm not promoting the hi-cap semi auto as the One True Path, but I do not agree on the other hand that "Any gun is better than no gun". The inherent fallacy of that school of thought is that it can, with an associated selection of inferior armament, give you the false sense of security that you are well armed when in fact you're nothing of the kind.

Should you ever need a gun to stand between you and death, you may very well find suddenly that it won't.
The gun's slow, its metallurgy may fail on the next shot, and the .38 S&W with an RNL bullet, already relatively anemic in terms of terminal effectiveness, is even more so out of that shortened barrel.

Yes, people have died on the wrong end of a .38 S&W.
People have also not died when shot with a modern JHP in the .380 you compare it to.

I hadn't intended to go beyond my first post in this thread, but the idea of others thinking such an approach is sensible, and Michael questioning my statement, caused me to jump back in.

The selection process for a carry gun varies widely. Some choose a particular gun because they think it's cool, some choose one because it's cheap, some because it's one they already had when the permit came through, some because the "experts" love it, and some rotate several because they like several & want to carry them all at one time or another. And then there are those who look carefully at performance (caliber & gun) in real live shootings, consider quality & configuration, mate a gun that combines those with their own lifestyle and abilities, and stick with the one gun that's the most efficient combination of all that as the Betcher Life Tool.

I live in a small town where my threat level's dropped by about 95% since I retired from my last PD.
I still carry an effective and reliable pistol daily. In the tiny 500-inhabitant town my mother lives in, a teenage girl was recently shot by two other teenagers who took offense in a road rage incident. It can happen anywhere.
If & when it ever does, your confidence in your proficiency with that little gun on a slowfire range may result in a very unpleasant eye-opener.

I won't argue it any further.
Your choice is your choice, but the fact remains that your gun is a very poor one for defensive carry.


Denis
 
"Should you ever need a gun to stand between you and death, you may very well find suddenly that it won't."

THAT pretty much sums it up.....

Rule #1 - Bring a gun
Rule #2 - Bring enough gun
 
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