Anyone have any experience with a Colt Defender? The local range has one as a rental gun that I would have the ample opportunity to check for reliability and since it's well used (broken in) I'd probably be able to make a good trade. However, I hadn't considered one of the sub-compact styles and am afraid that 3in. bbl might loose something in the accuracy and velocity departments. Furthermore, I hate those Hogue wrap around grips and would want to change to a set of double diamond wood grips. Maybe I'll try it out over the weekend but am leaning towards taking most of your advice and saving up to buy a good 1911 style gun out of pocket. Might take a year or so I'm afraid but maybe in that time I'll have the opportunity to try out that Glock 36. Thanks for all the advice so far. From all I've heard I beleive my wish list gun would be the Kimber Pro-carry but there's no doubt that plain jain Colt Officer's would be easier to come by. Your thoughts on the chances of getting a reliable one out the box? 50/50 or worse? Thanks, JLee